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The Hockey News (for what its worth) picks Russia for Gold

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01-21-2014, 11:18 AM
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If Ovechkin, Malkin, Datsyuk or Kovalchuk aren't on the ice, Russia is going to get decimated by other teams' depth.

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01-21-2014, 11:58 AM
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01-21-2014, 12:01 PM
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I don't see this happening. Their D leaves much to be desired compared to other teams in the tournament, their goalie situation is alright, but lacks compared to other teams, and they have a huge, huge drop off of forward talent after the big skaters.

How'd the KHL players do last olympics? I feel like I remember they getting pushed around pretty easily and not getting much done, but that was a while ago and I may have interpreted the game differently than I do now.

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01-21-2014, 12:06 PM
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Would be boring for them to pick Canada --> wouldn't stir up conversation --> wouldn't sell as many copies
And silly...when is the last time Canada won on big ice?

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01-21-2014, 12:06 PM
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How'd the KHL players do last olympics? I feel like I remember they getting pushed around pretty easily and not getting much done, but that was a while ago and I may have interpreted the game differently than I do now.
Small ice buddy.

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01-21-2014, 12:08 PM
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And silly...when is the last time Canada won on big ice?
2002, which is more recent of an Olympic gold medal on big ice than any other team except Sweden.

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01-21-2014, 12:10 PM
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01-21-2014, 12:24 PM
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Small ice buddy.
So, they didn't do well?

I guess we'll see how much of it is talent discrepancy and how much is an issue of comfort and ice size.

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01-21-2014, 03:15 PM
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If Ovechkin, Malkin, Datsyuk or Kovalchuk aren't on the ice, Russia is going to get decimated by other teams' depth.
You forgot Radulov, Kulemin, Anisimov and recently added Semin...these guys are pretty good players on the big ice.

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01-21-2014, 04:13 PM
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So, they didn't do well?

I guess we'll see how much of it is talent discrepancy and how much is an issue of comfort and ice size.
Talent discrepancy is pretty big.

Canadian KHL top 10 scorers: 2
Russian NHL top 10 scorers: 0

Canadian KHL top 20 scorers: 4
Russian NHL top 20 scorers: 2

Obviously a few injuries in the NHL distort the picture somewhat, but there doesn't seem to be a reason to care about what happens in the KHL. No one thinks Canada should even consider taking players who are having KHL success. Russia may go far, but the NHL stars will have to do the heavy lifting.

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01-21-2014, 04:20 PM
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The Hockey News picked USA in 1998. They always want to rile someone up.
That's not that crazy. At the time the US team was really good and had just beat Canada in a best of 3 World Cup final.

Of course retrospect is 20/20 and the team imploded and was terrible, but at the time that's not an audacious pick.

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01-21-2014, 04:22 PM
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Talent discrepancy is pretty big.

Canadian KHL top 10 scorers: 2
Russian NHL top 10 scorers: 0

Canadian KHL top 20 scorers: 4
Russian NHL top 20 scorers: 2

Obviously a few injuries in the NHL distort the picture somewhat, but there doesn't seem to be a reason to care about what happens in the KHL. No one thinks Canada should even consider taking players who are having KHL success. Russia may go far, but the NHL stars will have to do the heavy lifting.
Russia didn't pick KHL guys for scoring roles outside of Kovalchuk and Radulov who are first line NHL talent. Most of the KHL guys they brought are there to be 2-way grinders.

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01-21-2014, 04:23 PM
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You forgot Radulov, Kulemin, Anisimov and recently added Semin...these guys are pretty good players on the big ice.
Radulov and Semin are good players, Semin is extremely underrated, but I don't think Anisimov and Kulemin and the like are really scaring the Americans, Swedes and Canadians.

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01-21-2014, 06:28 PM
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... in the Olympics where Canada could only non-NHLers. That one meaningful Olympic tournament (1998) drought was tough though.

Russia is clearly the fourth team in terms of talent, but obviously on any given day they can beat any of the other teams. The hockey news used home ice as a big factor in their pick explanation if I recall correctly, though I'm not sure it is actually beneficial. Ice size helps though.
Fourth? So you are saying that the American are better?

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01-21-2014, 06:29 PM
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2002, which is more recent of an Olympic gold medal on big ice than any other team except Sweden.
It was hybrid.

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01-21-2014, 06:38 PM
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lol, No way Russia wins gold. Horrible D, Goalies are not elite, and the entire country is expecting Gold from them.

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01-21-2014, 06:40 PM
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lol, No way Russia wins gold. Horrible D, Goalies are not elite, and the entire country is expecting Gold from them.
Both Varly and Bob have the ability to go on ridiculous tears though. Varly hasn't lost a regulation game in his last 17 and Bob has been awesome lately too. Goaltending could be a big factor for them.

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01-21-2014, 06:44 PM
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I don't know how Russia's past means that they can't win this time. Before 2002, Canada hadn't won in 50 or 52 years.
The Olympics have only been best on best for 16 years... Before the early '90s, it was Russia's best vs. everyone else's amateurs. Canada won 4 out of 5 Canada Cups as well as the '72 Summit Series during that span.

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01-21-2014, 06:54 PM
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Fourth? So you are saying that the American are better?
Yes, somewhat comfortably too. Huge edge on defence. Russia has a better top 6 easily, but that's it.

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01-21-2014, 07:07 PM
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Fourth? So you are saying that the American are better?
Uhh yes? Russia has the better top 6 but that's it, USA has a much better defense and elite goaltending.

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01-21-2014, 07:33 PM
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The Olympics have only been best on best for 16 years... Before the early '90s, it was Russia's best vs. everyone else's amateurs. Canada won 4 out of 5 Canada Cups as well as the '72 Summit Series during that span.
The "Canada Cup" isn't a serious international competition for fairly obvious reasons (games all played in Canada with Canadian referees). The '72 Summit Series was great and pretty much even (4-3-1 for Canada with 32 Goals for the Soviets and 31 for Canada). Clarke's slash on Kharlamov that broke his ankle was all that separated the two.

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01-21-2014, 07:33 PM
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Bobrovsky and Varlamov are better than Miller and Quick, in fact Quick is extremely overrated, as he plays for what is arguably the best defensive team in the NHL, Boston notwithstanding.

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01-21-2014, 07:35 PM
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Bobrovsky and Varlamov are better than Miller and Quick, in fact Quick is extremely overrated, as he plays for what is arguably the best defensive team in the NHL, Boston notwithstanding.
How about Miller's 920 SV % on what very well might be the worst defensive team in the league? Only one guy starts remember. I know I'm hoping it's Miller.

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01-21-2014, 07:39 PM
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Just got my issue today. Russia wins gold and Canada wins silver.

Not sure I buy that, because Russia hasn't won a best-on-best competition in 33 years.

I think they are figuring that home-ice advantage and a little (ahem) motivation from Putin to put Russia on the map will go a long ways. Throw in Ovechkin's mission to play for his country as well.

I couldn't find a link on it so you'll just have to take my word that this is there choice until you see the magazine.

I can't imagine a team like Canada having any difficulty with that defense though. Their forwards should be able to keep the puck away from them rather easily. I guess the only hopes Russia has is that their top flight talent (Malkin, Ovechkin, Datstyuk, Kovalchuk) take the bull by the horns and play insane hockey, because they certainly aren't the deepest team in this tournament. Neither of those 4 played well in 2010 either. Maybe things will change with home ice, we'll see.
Russia should be proud of a top 5 finish. They are not getting a sniff at gold though.

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01-21-2014, 07:40 PM
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I think that USA will win, although I'm cheering for Canada.

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