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01-22-2014, 10:32 PM
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I think you need to compare more similar players, so something like this:
Crosby < Datsyuk
Stamkos < Ovechkin
Getzlaf < Malkin
Tarvares >= Radulov
Toews = Kovalchuk
Duchene > Semin
Well, I think you legit got one right.

Tavares is sooo much better than Radulov right now, and I would take one Toews over two Kovalchuks. Datsyuk is a shadow of his former self and Ovechkin is great if you are going to be on the power play all game. Otherwise, he'll be a minus player.

Malkin is a great player. Better than Getzlaf, but with the year Getz is having, not by as much as you'd think.

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01-22-2014, 11:35 PM
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Datsuyk is a far more skilled and better hockey player than Crosby. That is fact. Having the most points does not automatically make one the best player, some have different roles. It is also laughable to assume that Radulov or Semin are sub-par, when Radulov came back he was the best player offensively for Nashville. And even with the exclusion of Semin, who had a concussion, players like Tarasenko or Nichushkin will be better than the likes of Perry or Kunitz. As I said, the only Canadians who can compare to the skill of Russia's offence are Crosby, Toews, Stamkos and maybe Tavares.

Just to be in line with the thread, who will win gold? Well Bovada predicted Russia; I think it is not clear yet, but the final would most likely be between Sweden and Russia, and since Sweden has the best team heading into this tournament, I think they will win gold.

I mean seriously, look at just these two lines:

Ovechkin-Datsuyk-Semin
Kovalchuk-Malkin-Radulov

That is just borderline insane. There is no way that an argument can be made against the fact that Russia's offence is supreme going into this tournament.

That is even without the mention of Tarasenko or Nichushkin.
Regarding Datsyuk vs. Crosby... Defence is all good, but at the end of the day, someone needs to score points to win a match. You keep saying it's fact, but have no proof. You're not convincing anyone with a brain. It's not like we've never seen Ovechkin-Datsuyk-Semin, Kovalchuk-Malkin-Radulov before. they were there in 2010 no? How well did they fare against Canada? I mean with such superior skill sets, did they destroy the inferior Canadians?

Nichushkin who? The guy is only 18 years old. Is your prediction of him going to be better than Perry a fact? How can you be so sure? Are you god? Right now, Nichushkin is so good that he's tied at 10th place in scoring among rookies. There are 10 other rookies racking up more points. Maybe you should take a look at Nathan MacKinnon and witness a player closest to a sure thing.

POINTS BY A ROOKIE
RANK PLAYER TEAM
1 Nathan MacKinnon Col 33
2t Tyler Johnson TB 30
2t Chris Kreider NYR 30
4 Mark Scheifele Wpg 28
5t Tomas Hertl SJ 25
5t Torey Krug Bos 25
5t Ondrej Palat TB 25
8t Aleksander Barkov Fla 24
8t Alex Chiasson Dal 24
10t Eric Gelinas NJ 22
10t Valeri Nichushkin Dal 22


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01-22-2014, 11:44 PM
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Bochenski, Dawes and Wilson are all having a better year in the KHL than either Radulov or Kovalchuk. Let`s face it, Russian fans love these guys because they chose the KHL over the NHL but they are not elite level players right now. Radulov has always been way overrated and Kovalchuk has only had one good season in the last 4yrs. Semin is also not having a great year either and is hardly of the class of any of these players. Datsyuk is past his prime and no longer better than most of these guys.

Crosby > Malkin
Stamkos > Ovechkin
Getzlaf > Datsyuk
Tarvares >> Radulov
Toews >> Kovalchuk
Duchene >> Semin
Even when Datsyuk was at his prime, he was never a player as good as Crosby. If the Russian fans want to argue about Crosby's title as best player, they should use Malkin as comparison, not Datsyuk.

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01-23-2014, 05:11 AM
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Even when Datsyuk was at his prime, he was never a player as good as Crosby. If the Russian fans want to argue about Crosby's title as best player, they should use Malkin as comparison, not Datsyuk.
I agree. Dat's commitment to play both ends of the ice is rare for Russian forwards which got him a lot of good attention that he deserved but he never quite cracked the top 10 list in my opinion. Also people love to rank these players based on how they were at the peak of their careers instead of their most recent performance. Lastly people also put how entertaining a player is ahead of how effective they are.

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01-23-2014, 07:36 AM
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Please tell me which of these you disagree with:
Crosby > Ovechkin
Stamkos > Malkin
Tavares >= Kovalchuk
Toews >= Datsyuk
Getzlaf > Semin
Duchene>Radulov
it's more like this for me
Crosby > Ovechkin
Stamkos < Malkin
Tavares >= Kovalchuk
Toews < Datsyuk
Getzlaf > Semin
Duchene < Radulov

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01-23-2014, 07:37 AM
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You've clearly never watched Crosby because what you're saying is absurd. And after Russia's first two lines, which are worse than Canada's, it goes completely downhill from there. Tarensenko and Nichushkin aren't even close in terms of talent to any TC player.

Please tell me which of these you disagree with:
Crosby > Ovechkin
Stamkos > Malkin
Tavares >= Kovalchuk
Toews >= Datsyuk
Getzlaf > Semin
Duchene>Radulov
Malkin is a better overall player than Stamkos. He's second only to Crosby and not by much. He'd be as good as The Kid if he were less often injured and more consistent.

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it's more like this for me
Crosby > Ovechkin
Stamkos < Malkin
Tavares >= Kovalchuk
Toews < Datsyuk
Getzlaf > Semin
Duchene < Radulov
I can accept this, but shouldn't we compare based on possible position on their respective national team instead?


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01-23-2014, 08:30 AM
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it's more like this for me
Crosby > Ovechkin
Stamkos < Malkin
Tavares >= Kovalchuk
Toews < Datsyuk
Getzlaf > Semin
Duchene < Radulov
Crosby >>> Ovechkin
Stamkos > Malkin
Tavares > Kovalchuk
Toews >= Datsyuk
Getzlaf >> Semin
Duchene < Radulov


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01-23-2014, 09:13 AM
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it's more like this for me
Crosby > Ovechkin
Stamkos < Malkin
Tavares >= Kovalchuk
Toews < Datsyuk
Getzlaf > Semin
Duchene < Radulov
This is fair for international ice, with Malkin being a huge edge over an injured Stamkos and Toews possibly being equal to Datsyuk.

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01-23-2014, 10:25 AM
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Canada will win in a close final vs. the hosts

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01-23-2014, 10:29 AM
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Canada will win in a close final vs. the hosts
I think so, too.

I think, on Gold Medal game day, the CBC (and the world TV networks) will lead their broadcast by saying, "This is the game we have been waiting for since the NHL came to the Olympics. The classic rivalry between Canada and Russia in the Gold Medal game is finally here". They will then do a long montage of past series - from 1972 to 1987. It will be great!


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Canada will win the final NHL at the Olympics series.

For someone so deeply involved with the NHL, Glenn Healy comes across as clueless.

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