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01-23-2014, 10:13 AM
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Henrik really put the Canucks on his back that year. Daniel broke his leg and was out for 20+ games and Henrik just went on an absolute tear. He was also the team leader by around 30 pts so pretty comparable.
A point per game is a tear? His production dropped like a stone without Daniel. Crosby was dominant the whole season with the highest scoring winger being Bill Guerin.

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01-23-2014, 10:22 AM
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A point per game is a tear? His production dropped like a stone without Daniel. Crosby was dominant the whole season with the highest scoring winger being Bill Guerin.
LOL, are you serious?
Henrik Sedin's wingers for those 20 games were Bieksa and Mason Raymond
Yes Bieksa, the defenceman.

And Henrik was in the western conference, where he lead by a sizable portion.

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01-23-2014, 10:31 AM
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Theodore

Perry Never cracked higher than 80 points before that season. To top it off he fell right back to earth the next season (only like 60 points.) To be fair, he's on pace to put up a really good offensive year as of now, so it doesn't look as bad.

Theodore is worse. Put up a .931 sv% in his MVP year and then proceeded to implode after a .919 campaign the year after (A career 909 save % says it all)

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01-23-2014, 12:33 PM
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Art Ross Trophy, a 4th place finish in points, and three consecutive years leading the league in assists. I'd say that's easily a better resume than someone like Perry or Theodore.
Oh really? Call me crazy but Stanley Cup winner, Olympic gold medalist, world junior championship gold, memorial cup winner, Hart trophy winner, rocket Richard trophy winner. That's all trumped by an article Ross and three years of getting a lot of assists?

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01-23-2014, 12:37 PM
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Joe Thornton. Jagr WAS the Rangers, and frankly I don't see how a guy playing only 2/3 of a season with a team can get the Hart.


Thornton turned cheechoo into a 50 goal scorer(where is he now?) while having 92 points in his final 58 games. It was Thornton s to win by a mile. Not to mention san Jose wasn't even close to making the playoffs till joe came by

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01-23-2014, 12:46 PM
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Thornton turned cheechoo into a 50 goal scorer(where is he now?) while having 92 points in his final 58 games. It was Thornton s to win by a mile. Not to mention san Jose wasn't even close to making the playoffs till joe came by
Many people probably also do not realize that a 90+ assist season is akin to a 70+ goal season. It represents a dominant performance by Thornton in 2005-06 (and then 2006-07).

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Oh really? Call me crazy but Stanley Cup winner, Olympic gold medalist, world junior championship gold, memorial cup winner, Hart trophy winner, rocket Richard trophy winner. That's all trumped by an article Ross and three years of getting a lot of assists?
When 2005-06 and 2006-07 are top-25 seasons all-time for assists and the only names above you read Gretzky, Orr, and Lemieux. That is an impressive performance.

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01-23-2014, 12:53 PM
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Henrik really put the Canucks on his back that year. Daniel broke his leg and was out for 20+ games and Henrik just went on an absolute tear. He was also the team leader by around 30 pts so pretty comparable.
He pretty much fell off when Daniel was out

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01-23-2014, 12:58 PM
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I don't think Theodore was nearly good enough the year he won it to win the Hart Trophy, when you look at some of the phenomenal seasons some goalies have had, that season doesn't rank up there. To me, a goalie has to have a season seen once in a generation to win the Hart, as they already have the Vezina. If not then a goalie should legitimately win almost every year, as there is generally a team that has a goalie who is more valuable to their team than any player is to their team. Kipper to Calgary, Rinne to Nashville, Hasek to every team he ever played for. The Vezina exists for a reason, goalies shouldn't be winning the Hart unless that season is a season people will talk about as one of the best seasons a goalie will ever have.

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01-23-2014, 01:04 PM
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A point per game is a tear? His production dropped like a stone without Daniel. Crosby was dominant the whole season with the highest scoring winger being Bill Guerin.

He was "only" a point per game... but he took over the goal scoring roll. He had lost his elite winger, and took it on his shoulders to do something he was not known for... carry the team to wins with his goal scoring.

Too much looking at numbers folks. Not enough watching the sport. There is a reason he was voted to win it that year... he was incredible.


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01-23-2014, 01:07 PM
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Worst player in semi-recent memory is Theodore. Had a pretty good year that year, but sneaking into the playoffs on the strength of a goaltending performance is relatively common.

If Columbus didn't lose a game on an Abdelkaider dive at the beginning of last year, Bobrovski would have bettered his accomplishment just last year.

Perry and Henrik Sedin are two guys who had no business winning a Hart, but Theodore was, by and large, an average player at his position over his career, unlike them.

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He pretty much fell off when Daniel was out
Putting up a point per game is falling off? Stop talking out your ass

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Oh really? Call me crazy but Stanley Cup winner, Olympic gold medalist, world junior championship gold, memorial cup winner, Hart trophy winner, rocket Richard trophy winner. That's all trumped by an article Ross and three years of getting a lot of assists?
Team awards really don't have much of a bearing here. If Henrik had been on that 2007 Ducks team (in my eyes, the best Cup-winning team post-lockout) instead of Perry, he'd have a Stanley Cup as well. Henrik has an Olympic gold and World Championship gold to his name too, anyways.

In my eyes, one season at the top of only one of the major statistical categories is not nearly as impressive as three straight years leading the league in another in addition to the Art Ross and two more top 10 points finishes. Perry needs a couple more elite years to be at that level career-wise.

To add to it, only four players have ever led the league in assists for three straight seasons. That's quite the accomplishment.
Gretzky
Mikita
Thornton
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Thornton turned cheechoo into a 50 goal scorer(where is he now?) while having 92 points in his final 58 games. It was Thornton s to win by a mile. Not to mention san Jose wasn't even close to making the playoffs till joe came by
in 2006, Jonathan Cheechoo was a significantly more dangerous offensive player than Petr Prucha. Jagr would have loved to have a guy like that on his wing.

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01-23-2014, 01:17 PM
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Putting up a point per game is falling off? Stop talking out your ass
Pretty much proves his linmemates helped him win that mvp . Would Henrik put up 112 or 109 with kunitz and Guerin/dupuis on his line?

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Jose Theodore. Only won cuz its Montreal.

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01-23-2014, 01:20 PM
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LOL, are you serious?
Henrik Sedin's wingers for those 20 games were Bieksa and Mason Raymond
Yes Bieksa, the defenceman.

And Henrik was in the western conference, where he lead by a sizable portion.
Right, but the point is Sedin stopped producing at an elite level once he lost his elite linemate. A PPG is OK but not near what Crosby was doing with his underwhelming linemates for the whole 81 games. Congrats, for a few weeks he knew what Crosby felt like for the whole year.

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Pretty much proves his linmemates helped him win that mvp . Would Henrik put up 112 or 109 with kunitz and Guerin/dupuis on his line?
And IF the answer was 'no'... would that prove Daniel and Burrows helped him win it?
How does that make sense?

Of course his linemates helped him win.. thats how a line works!

What kind of argument are you trying to produce here?

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Is the op asking which player had the worst Hart season or which player has the worst career that won a Hart trophy at some point? I'm pretty sure it's #2, but I'm not sure....

In recent years it has to be Perry IMO (whether it's the 1st or 2nd option), he played on the top line in the league and had a good ~15 games that got him the trophy. I also find him over-rated... Yes he's a great player, but I never think of Perry and Hart together and I forget all the time that he won the Hart that year.

OV's last Hart win was pretty unimpressive imo, but he's had a dominant career and, again, I think the OP meant the 2nd option.
How exactly do you manage to rack up 50G-98pts by having "a good ~15 games" If was able to lead the league in goals and come 3rd in the league in points with just an impressive 15 games .. What the hell was the rest of the league doing all year long

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This. Theodore is definitely the worst career player to have won the Hart, at least in the last few decades. If I recall correctly there was something of a voting controversy that year that led to Iginla getting jobbed out of the award. If he had won instead of Theodore, the recent list of Hart winners would look a lot more sensible.

Lindros is another Hart winner who may not make the HOF, but a lot of people think he'll get in eventually, and even if he doesn't I can't imagine there's a person on Earth who wouldn't take him above Theodore.
Iginla was robbed. Rocket and Art Ross in same year should mean you're a lock for the Hart.

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He was "only" a point per game... but he took over the goal scoring roll. He had lost his elite winger, and took it on his shoulders to do something he was not known for... carry the team to wins with his goal scoring.

Too much looking at numbers folks. Not enough watching the sport. There is a reason he was voted to win it that year... he was incredible.


For the record, the Canucks went 11-7 during that stretch, with Sedin getting 18 points in 18 games. Sedin had a greats eason, but neiher he nor the Canucks were particularly remarkable during that stretch.

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Joe Thornton the heartless choker that never deserved it.

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125 points and 96 assist Hart Trophy winner Joe "The Rooster" Thornton is the worst player to win the Hart Trophy?
Didn't he also win the Art Ross that year?

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Every Hart winner has made the Hall of Fame but that streak will end with Theodore, so there's your answer.
Al Rollins made the Hall of Fame? Did they do a new vote today?

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As someone who's hockey knowledge gets a little hazy going back that far; Who the hell is Al Rollins and how did he win a Hart trophy? Dude's stats are garbage from what i looked up.

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Theodore was insane that year and absolutely deserved it. My vote goes to Ted Kennedy. He never even made the all star team and wasn't top 10 in scoring. Also his team only finished the season with a .500 record.

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