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01-24-2014, 12:34 PM
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You can say that as they are signed with your team right now. I don't see why that would be a problem.
Exactly.

I think the organization is trying to figure out how to move both of those guys. Probably going to be traded at or close to the deadline to contending teams.

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01-24-2014, 12:36 PM
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01-24-2014, 12:38 PM
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I just dont see that happening at all. I understand your thought process, but how often has that actually happened.
You also have to take into account that if a move like that would happen the NHLPA and board of governors would be furious.

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01-24-2014, 12:40 PM
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I'm actually surprised that stuff like that rarely happens. Actually, I don't think I've ever seen it happen. It would help an organization out a lot. I guess they see it as a slap in the face, or that draft pick/prospect can take their job.

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01-24-2014, 12:42 PM
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I'm actually surprised that stuff like that rarely happens. Actually, I don't think I've ever seen it happen. It would help an organization out a lot. I guess they see it as a slap in the face, or that draft pick/prospect can take their job.
Its also based on organization reputation. Its totally unprofessional. Good luck trying to trade players down the road pulling a stunt like that.

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01-24-2014, 12:42 PM
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Exactly.

I think the organization is trying to figure out how to move both of those guys. Probably going to be traded at or close to the deadline to contending teams.
I don't see how anyone believes this. The Rangers are one of the better teams in the East. They're going to try and make the playoffs. I'm confident Callahan and Girardi will not be traded.

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01-24-2014, 12:43 PM
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You also have to take into account that if a move like that would happen the NHLPA and board of governors would be furious.
Maybe if the draft pick was a conditioned on the basis of the player re-signing it would keep parties from going nuts. For instance a deal like:

Top prospect, conditional 1st if he re-signs, 2nd if he does not.

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01-24-2014, 12:47 PM
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I don't see how anyone believes this. The Rangers are one of the better teams in the East. They're going to try and make the playoffs. I'm confident Callahan and Girardi will not be traded.
If they don't plan on resigning them(which is a serious possibility), then they have no other choice. Either get something or let them walk. I don't think Cally is going to be worth his inevitable big contract(especially in AV's system). Girardi, I could at least be open to retaining if he comes at a discount(which I doubt).

Without Cally, the Rangers are still in playoff contention. Girardi, on the other hand, would be problematic if traded. They need, at least, a stable third pairing Dman coming back in a trade somewhere.

But this only effects them this season. The Rangers aren't contending this year, so who cares how far they go in the first round? May as well set something up for the future.


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01-24-2014, 12:49 PM
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Maybe if the draft pick was a conditioned on the basis of the player re-signing it would keep parties from going nuts. For instance a deal like:

Top prospect, conditional 1st if he re-signs, 2nd if he does not.
I guess but that is a terrible deal for the Rangers. The other team could just use the player as a rental with zero plans on resigning.

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01-24-2014, 12:52 PM
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Maybe if the draft pick was a conditioned on the basis of the player re-signing it would keep parties from going nuts. For instance a deal like:

Top prospect, conditional 1st if he re-signs, 2nd if he does not.
There would be enough teams bidding to easily get that to a straight 1st.

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I just dont see that happening at all. I understand your thought process, but how often has that actually happened.
Keith Tkachuk.

traded from the Blues to Atlanta, resigned witht he Blues.

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01-24-2014, 12:55 PM
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Most players who are pending UFAs are acquired at the deadline with the idea they are rentals and not definitely re-signed. There should be no reason why the team acquiring them should be upset that they re-signed with the Rangers. They got their rental for the stretch and playoffs. Offseason signings are not a gaurantee. I just have a feeling the NHL frowns upon this and/or most teams do not see those players in their future plans down the road anyway. To me it is a brilliant tactic for a team who won't contend but wants to bring that player back next year. It should be allowed. The other thing to consider on yhe players side is the time they will be away from their families until the offseason. That could play a huge factor in being willing to be a part of a move like that.

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01-24-2014, 12:57 PM
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Most players who are pending UFAs are acquired at the deadline with the idea they are rentals and not definitely re-signed. There should be no reason why the team acquiring them should be upset that they re-signed with the Rangers. They got their rental for the stretch and playoffs. Offseason signings are not a gaurantee. I just have a feeling the NHL frowns upon this and/or most teams do not see those players in their future plans down the road anyway. To me it is a brilliant tactic for a team who won't contend but wants to bring that player back next year. It should be allowed. The other thing to consider on yhe players side is the time they will be away from their families until the offseason. That could play a huge factor in being willing to be a part of a move like that.
But, as I was saying before, I don't think its applicable in regards to the Rangers in this context. Both guys in question would be moved(especially in Cally's case)because the Rangers don't want to spend the dough.

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01-24-2014, 01:00 PM
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If they don't plan on resigning them(which is a serious possibility), then they have no other choice. Either get something or let them walk. I don't think Cally is going to be worth his inevitable big contract(especially in AV's system). Girardi, I could at least be open to retaining if he comes at a discount(which I doubt).

Without Cally, the Rangers are still in playoff contention. Girardi, on the other hand, would be problematic if traded. They need, at least, a stable third pairing Dman coming back in a trade somewhere.

But this only effects them this season. The Rangers aren't contending this year, so who cares how far they go in the first round? May as well set something up for the future.
Because that's not how the Rangers operate and you and I both know that. If the Rangers were in say, the Islanders position where we were last in the division, and it still wasn't looking good, then yeah, I'd say there's a chance they get traded. But, at 6th in the conference, 2nd in the division, a strong possibility of getting a wild card at worst, and the team playing MUCH better as of late, there's no way that those two are being traded.

I know the Rangers aren't favorites to go to the Stanley Cup or even win it. I don't think their chances are very good, but I believe that it's possible with a bit of luck. After seeing how this franchise has been run over the past decade, I know this is most likely how they see it too.

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01-24-2014, 01:04 PM
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Because that's not how the Rangers operate and you and I both know that. If the Rangers were in say, the Islanders position where we were last in the division, and it still wasn't looking good, then yeah, I'd say there's a chance they get traded. But, at 6th in the conference, 2nd in the division, a strong possibility of getting a wild card at worst, and the team playing MUCH better as of late, there's no way that those two are being traded.

I know the Rangers aren't favorites to go to the Stanley Cup or even win it. I don't think their chances are very good, but I believe that it's possible with a bit of luck. After seeing how this franchise has been run over the past decade, I know this is most likely how they see it too.
Yeah, but even if what you say is true(I don't personally agree)than there is no reason not to trade Cally. We would still be in playoff contention. Plus we avoid overspending on a contract for futures. It makes the most sense from both angles.

In the case of Girardi, I can see your point. But, I personally feel it will all fall towards they can get him at a discount or not.

Not to mention, I can say with absolute confidence that the Rangers have about 0.0 chance of winning a Stanley Cup this year.

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01-24-2014, 01:10 PM
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Keith Tkachuk.

traded from the Blues to Atlanta, resigned witht he Blues.
Doug Weight did the same thing a couple of times.

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There needs to be a follow up move to Del Zotto. It needs to happen.

As much as I was on Del Zotto, he was at least putting up points on the power play. Moore doesn't have the same vision. Del Zotto taketh away (with his stupid turnovers) but he also occasionally giveth. Klein is a stay at home defender, and while that's great and all, the offensive potential that DZ provided (mind you I said potential and not production) needs to be replaced.

The defensive pair fluctuations are intriguing. They're not happenstance, Vigneault is a creature of habit and stability. Girardi and McDonough have been our most stable line and to pair Girardi up with Moore means only 1 thing to me - preparing for the possibility of a trade.

I also think that our defense has a more positive outlook moving forward than our offense. Richards is inevitably going to be bought out and he's actually performing at an above average rate. Brassard at 4+ mill is not in this team's long term plans. He will be the next Dubinsky for this club, just without the heart. He'll be traded midway through his next contract. Pouloit isn't going to cut it either. And Callahan, even if resigned, will be in and out of the lineup playing the reckless style of hockey he plays.

It's exciting thinking that we may actually have some change on this roster. I think sometimes change is necessary. Getting some new faces in here won't hurt.

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01-24-2014, 01:16 PM
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I wonder if there is a way to trade with the Devil's to get the rights to Kovalchuk.

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01-24-2014, 01:22 PM
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I wonder if there is a way to trade with the Devil's to get the rights to Kovalchuk.
He is retired. He won't be coming back.

I would still look into Burmistrov if his rights were available.

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01-24-2014, 01:22 PM
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Yeah, but even if what you say is true(I don't personally agree)than there is no reason not to trade Cally. We would still be in playoff contention. Plus we avoid overspending on a contract for futures. It makes the most sense from both angles.

In the case of Girardi, I can see your point. But, I personally feel it will all fall towards they can get him at a discount or not.

Not to mention, I can say with absolute confidence that the Rangers have about 0.0 chance of winning a Stanley Cup this year.
Guess you're not really much of a Blueshirt Believer Sorry for the stupid pun lol.

But seriously, I'm not saying I disagree with what you're saying, I just don't believe the Rangers will trade these guys and be sellers at the deadline with the position they're currently in and most likely will be in for the remainder of the season.

And I wouldn't say trading Callahan makes us a playoff team either. Trading someone of his caliber could be detrimental to the team. While he may not be putting up the best season statistically he does a lot of other things like playing good defense, penalty killing, PP time, etc. He's a very solid overall player. The person we'd have to call up in his place would be JT Miller who lets face it, isn't on Callahan's level or else he'd be playing in the NHL regularly. Teams need gritty, hard nosed players like Callahan and I think this team took a step back when we traded Dubinsky. The team very well could take a huge step backwards by trading their Captain.

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I wonder if there is a way to trade with the Devil's to get the rights to Kovalchuk.
What??? He is signed for life in Russia.

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But, as I was saying before, I don't think its applicable in regards to the Rangers in this context. Both guys in question would be moved(especially in Cally's case)because the Rangers don't want to spend the dough.
Yes I agree (and noted that's why this scenario rarely plays out) but was simply suggesting there would be no reason for acquiring teams to be upset as people seemed to think they would be.

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Anyone else really happy and really scared at the same time over the Thornton extension?

Happy because Rangers can't give him his retirement contract (yet). Scared cause what does this mean for Richards, FA like Stastny, something unforeseen, etc....

Who knows what Sather will do!

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01-24-2014, 01:32 PM
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Guess you're not really much of a Blueshirt Believer Sorry for the stupid pun lol.

But seriously, I'm not saying I disagree with what you're saying, I just don't believe the Rangers will trade these guys and be sellers at the deadline with the position they're currently in and most likely will be in for the remainder of the season.

And I wouldn't say trading Callahan makes us a playoff team either. Trading someone of his caliber could be detrimental to the team. While he may not be putting up the best season statistically he does a lot of other things like playing good defense, penalty killing, PP time, etc. He's a very solid overall player. The person we'd have to call up in his place would be JT Miller who lets face it, isn't on Callahan's level or else he'd be playing in the NHL regularly. Teams need gritty, hard nosed players like Callahan and I think this team took a step back when we traded Dubinsky. The team very well could take a huge step backwards by trading their Captain.

The thing with Callahan is that he is replaceable given his role on the team this season. He is playing(not even all that productively)as a third line winger. There are guys in Hartford who can plug into that role if need be. We have plenty of Pker's at the moment, so that is not too much of an impediment. Leadership/intangibles? Sure, it would hurt. But you would know what would hurt more? Giving a 3rd line winger, pk specialist with intangibles 5.5-6 million a year who is becoming more and more injury prone as he moves to 30 years of age. Cally also seems very limited in AV's system.

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01-24-2014, 01:43 PM
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Every team in the NHL goes through this. The player who is playing behind someone doesn't have a chance to prove himself unless the other player isn't there. Callahan was out for a while. MZA stepped up.
He had a very hot period, but I don't think that means he'll be able to do that whenever he gets a few more minutes. I just don't think he's proven that he can play that role for a long enough time.

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