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01-23-2014, 02:20 PM
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Depressing but true. Hall is our best player and he still pales in comparison to most other top players around the league.
Just a curious question but your M.O lately seems to be to slam Hall. Any particular reason?

He's far from perfect but to call him poor relative to his peers?

His peers are the top 20 in the world at the moment. Considering how he's fared and the **** team he's on, I'd say he's done pretty well

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01-23-2014, 02:33 PM
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I'd actually respect MacT a lot more if he admitted his mistake, bit the bullet and fired Eakins... brought in a more experienced coach and moved forward. The Olympic break WOULD be a perfect opportunity for that.
I want to see MacT make his trades at the deadline, let Eakins go immediately after, and then take over as coach/GM for the rest of the year. That way he takes full responsibility. He's been a coach for a long time. We would have something to compare with. And he would get to see up close and personal the team he is working with. That would give him a real good assessment (or slap in the face) of where the team is.

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01-23-2014, 02:39 PM
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Just a curious question but your M.O lately seems to be to slam Hall. Any particular reason?

He's far from perfect but to call him poor relative to his peers?

His peers are the top 20 in the world at the moment. Considering how he's fared and the **** team he's on, I'd say he's done pretty well
I think the #1s get a bit overrated here especially when you compare Hall with the three that preceded him.

They are good players but not quite elite. They can still get there but it's going to take longer than Kane, Stamkos and Tavares.

It really bothers me that Hall is at his best when he's flying down the wing and hitting other players yet we've rarely seen that this year. I know his knee is braced but he should still be hitting anything he can.

It also pains me how infrequently the top players go to the net.

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01-23-2014, 02:43 PM
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I think the #1s get a bit overrated here especially when you compare Hall with the three that preceded him.

They are good players but not quite elite. They can still get there but it's going to take longer than Kane, Stamkos and Tavares.

It really bothers me that Hall is at his best when he's flying down the wing and hitting other players yet we've rarely seen that this year. I know his knee is braced but he should still be hitting anything he can.

It also pains me how infrequently the top players go to the net.
Hall is the least of our problems, you want problems look at the other two 1st overall picks taken after him.

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Hall is the least of our problems, you want problems look at the other two 1st overall picks taken after him.
There's a difference between thinking he's a problem and think he could be better.

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Eakins is way more of a problem than the core group here.

I dont know why that is hard to figure out. Our core group was trending upwards till this guy came, now its time to blow up the core? I dont get it.

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01-23-2014, 04:05 PM
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Were they really trending up last year? Seems to me they were about the same. They got hot for a bit and then completely fell to pieces down the stretch.

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01-23-2014, 04:09 PM
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Were they really trending up last year? Seems to me they were about the same. They got hot for a bit and then completely fell to pieces down the stretch.
Difference is that at 48 games into the season if that was a full season, we still could of made playoffs. This year we were essentially mathematically eliminates well before 48 games

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01-23-2014, 04:11 PM
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Were they really trending up last year? Seems to me they were about the same. They got hot for a bit and then completely fell to pieces down the stretch.
Our PP was trending up. this year epic fail

Our GA was trending up, this year epic fail

Our GF was trending up, this year epic fail

Our PK was trending up, this year not so much


So yes everything with our core group was trending up. Im talking about the Renney year vs the Kruger Year vs the Eakins year. 2 years in a row we trended up, this year is worse then the Renney Year.

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Our PP was trending up. this year epic fail

Our GA was trending up, this year epic fail

Our GF was trending up, this year epic fail

Our PK was trending up, this year not so much


So yes everything with our core group was trending up. Im talking about the Renney year vs the Kruger Year vs the Eakins year. 2 years in a row we trended up, this year is worse then the Renney Year.
I reckon we're lucky to hit 50 points in the standings

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I reckon we're lucky to hit 50 points in the standings
Anaheim has more wins then we have points right now.

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Depressing but true. Hall is our best player and he still pales in comparison to most other top players around the league.
Don't let this **** show that is the Oilers fool you into thinking Hall sucks.....

He is a top 5 LW in the game.

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Anaheim has more wins then we have points right now.
just one more wow stat for all those who think we are going anywhere quickly with this group. Sad but unfortunately true. And it nicer in Anaheim also.

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Not sure if this was posted, but I thought it was decent. Willis compares Eakins to Krueger to Renney.

http://oilersnation.com/2014/1/22/comparing-coaches

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Tom Renney comes out looking awfully good here. Steve Tambellini never offered an actual explanation of what he thought Renney was doing wrong behind the bench when he fired the veteran coach, but it is abundantly clear in hindsight that canning Renney was the wrong move. The Oilers did a better job at getting shot attempts, and getting shot attempts through without them being blocked, of getting shots on net, and of scoring goals under Renney than they would under either of his successors. If one believes (as I do) that Renney had the weakest roster of the three coaches, it’s impossible to look at this without thinking he did an awfully good job.

Ralph Krueger vs. Dallas Eakins is where it gets interesting. Eakins’ team did a better job of generating shot attempts, but Krueger’s did better work getting them through to the opposition net. Krueger’s teams also did a better job of winning the goals battle, in large part because the team shooting and save percentages were better.
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01-24-2014, 09:20 PM
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We all know that shot attempts win games right?

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Yep... everytime the Oilers lose I don't care because I know they are slowly closing the Fenwick Moral Victory gap... like ninjas in the night they're stealth-fully tightening that **** down.

Of Corsi could be wrong.


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There's a difference between thinking he's a problem and think he could be better.
Hall is the best LWer in the NHL.

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We all know that shot attempts win games right?
They certainly play a big role.

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I want to see MacT make his trades at the deadline, let Eakins go immediately after, and then take over as coach/GM for the rest of the year. That way he takes full responsibility. He's been a coach for a long time. We would have something to compare with. And he would get to see up close and personal the team he is working with. That would give him a real good assessment (or slap in the face) of where the team is.
I wouldn't be against something like that happening but it doesn't sound like MacT thinks coaching is an issue as Eakins had had to do some real "heavy lifting".

Like it or not, I think Eakins will be back for another season. MacT will try to give him a better team to work with first.

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If they keep Eakins for next season hopefully we can swarm out way to Macdavid.

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If they keep Eakins for next season hopefully we can swarm out way to Macdavid.
Until Lowe is gone, not even Sidney Crosby can save the Oilers losing woes.

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He's in over his head. Said all the right things though, but the results compared to last year speak for themselves.

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Not sure if this was posted, but I thought it was decent. Willis compares Eakins to Krueger to Renney.

http://oilersnation.com/2014/1/22/comparing-coaches



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Interesting that Renney looks quite good, whereas the less experienced Kruger and Eakins don't look as good.

And Renney arguably had the weakest roster.

I think we badly needed an experienced NHL coach the last two seasons.

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They certainly play a big role.
More than goals even.

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More than goals even.
9 times out of 10, you out play a team by out shooting and out chancing you'll win. Every once in a while the goalie will steal a game. Just look at the Leafs, perfect example.

Or, the Oilers last season under Kreuger.

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Interesting that Renney looks quite good, whereas the less experienced Kruger and Eakins don't look as good.

And Renney arguably had the weakest roster.

I think we badly needed an experienced NHL coach the last two seasons.
Renney was a lot better at running his bench.
He line matched at home and sheltered Hall and Eberle pretty well.
He also had Kreuger running his special teams.

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I would hire renney back. The two years under Babcock prob did him wonders.

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