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01-28-2007, 05:54 AM
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Mark Messier-Future Rangers GM?

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Messier, who turned 46 on Jan. 18, is prepared to do the same, jumping into the management game, probably with the Rangers. He's seen contemporaries like Al MacInnis (St. Louis), Steve Yzerman (Detroit) and Ron Francis (Carolina) getting their feet wet already. He's seen the potential Hall of Famers dive into the scouting and learning-the-ropes parts of the job. He might want that challenge, too. He has some role models in buddy Kevin Lowe in Edmonton, Glen Sather in New York and John Muckler in Ottawa. He has talked to Sather about getting involved in management, now that he's been away from the game for a couple of years.

"It's a lot of work, but it's very interesting, trying to pull a team together. I like that aspect. It's almost like playing chess and I love that game, all the references to war," said Messier. "I'd love to assemble a team on the ice."
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...f5e926eeb8&p=1

There is also some info about Lyon Messier going to play NCAA college hockey

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Would love it! Seriously, who wouldnt

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that would be so awesome!

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Step aside Sather.

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It would be cool to have Messier involved in the organization, even if it wasnt a GM job.

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Messier's first moves would prob be Gretzky as head coach, Leetch as Assistant GM, Graves as Assistant coach & Richter as goalie coach.


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Who names their kid Lyon? Honestly.

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More about Messier as GM in future.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=194221&hubname=nhl

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Sorry, but until he proves his accumen for the job, I don't want any part of him as GM of thsi franchise.

A big-time pass from me.

Go and become an Asst. Coach or something (again not here in NY) and earn your stripes. Do that with success and then I may start looking at you as a potential Asst. GM again not here in NY

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I agree, WHO DOES THAT!?!

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Charles Wang did it with Garth Snow. Not saying I agree with it, but it does happen.

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are you guys complete idiots saying that having Messie back would be awesome? Messier was a good hockey player in the 80's and early 90's maybe but then he latched on to our team sucking the life out of it and keeping us from enjoying good hockey until finally last year when he was finally off the team and we made the playoffs - if this moron comes back you can guarantee we will be a crappy team again

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Sorry, but until he proves his accumen for the job, I don't want any part of him as GM of thsi franchise.

A big-time pass from me.

Go and become an Asst. Coach or something (again not here in NY) and earn your stripes. Do that with success and then I may start looking at you as a potential Asst. GM again not here in NY
St. Louis could be a good place to take an assistant GM job for him, learning under JD.

Alternately, Hartford or Charlotte.

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Messier was a good hockey player in the 80's and early 90's maybe....

...if this moron comes back...


Let me guess: born in the 1990s?

One supposes a persuasive case can be made against Mark Messier becoming NYR's GM anytime in the near future.

However, to suggest that he was "maybe" a "good" player...and to refer to the guy who is the #1 reason it is not 67 years and counting of no Cups in Manhattan as a "moron"...is the height of absurdity and disrespect (not to mention utter lack of appreciation of the not-so-distance past), especially coming from an NYR fan.

Sorry, but that's my opinion, as a hockey fan. Geez, talk about a "born yesterday" perspective.


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Sorry, but until he proves his accumen for the job, I don't want any part of him as GM of thsi franchise.

A big-time pass from me.

Go and become an Asst. Coach or something (again not here in NY) and earn your stripes. Do that with success and then I may start looking at you as a potential Asst. GM again not here in NY
I agree 100%. We all love Messier. That said, there is nothing that indicates he can do the job. And I don't think that I want him learning on he job here.

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Charles Wang did it with Garth Snow. Not saying I agree with it, but it does happen.
No disrespect to Snow because he's not been able to put his fingerprints on the team the way he probably would like to, but there's no way in hell he should have that job and after the debacle of the Neil Smith highing and subsequent release there weren't going to be many folks jumping at that opportunity. Snow took the job and it's been an on the job training stint for him ever since.

Let's also not forget that that situation is a committee and that ultimately, the decision is not Snow's, it's Wang's.

Will Snow be a good GM in the long-run, I could see it happening, I could also see Mess becoming a solid GM as well, but it would be silly to think that these two guys would be anything more than less than medicore in their first run as GM's when never having any other management experience in their life prior to that.

It's not a good thing, and as fragile as this franchise is right now, I do not want him here in that capacity.

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Charles Wang did it with Garth Snow. Not saying I agree with it, but it does happen.
Reason enough for me to do the exact opposite. The hierarchy on the Island is a mess. The former GM is still around.

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Messier as GM scares me. Mainly because there's no way to tell how good he'd be...he's a forecful personality and wants things his way, but if he doesn't have some saavy when it comes to managing, that's a recipe for disaster.

Managing for several years on a smaller scale and working his way up is one thing...tossed right in after a few years of being out of hockey is another.

I wouldn't want to see him as a GM anywhere until he's had at least 5 years of experience with management

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It is inevitable that Mark Messier will be part of the Rangers management team.He won't be the GM right off the bat but will learn the different aspects of being a NHL executive just like Al MacInnis and Steve Yzerman are doing right now

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Let me guess: born in the 1990s?

One supposes a persuasive case can be made against Mark Messier becoming NYR's GM anytime in the near future.

However, to suggest that he was "maybe" a "good" player...and to refer to the guy who is the #1 reason it is not 67 years and counting of no Cups in Manhattan as a "moron"...is the height of absurdity and disrespect (not to mention utter lack of appreciation of the not-so-distance past), especially coming from an NYR fan.

Sorry, but that's my opinion, as a hockey fan. Geez, talk about a "born yesterday" perspective.


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Sorry, but until he proves his accumen for the job, I don't want any part of him as GM of thsi franchise.

A big-time pass from me.

Go and become an Asst. Coach or something (again not here in NY) and earn your stripes. Do that with success and then I may start looking at you as a potential Asst. GM again not here in NY
Agreed, pld. This franchise needs direction from proven talent evaluators and savvy front office types. I love Mess, but he's totally inexperienced and not the ideal candidate for a job here.

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Kevin Lowe jumped from player to coach to GM pretty quickly, so I there is some precedent.

Besides, RangerBoy is absolutely right. Reading this article, it doesn't say anything about Messier becoming GM, it says "getting involved in management". That is to say: Messier will start off in some scouting or assistant position as he learns the ropes. He has to start somewhere, and the Rangers would be a logical place.

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Kevin Lowe jumped from player to coach to GM pretty quickly, so I there is some precedent.

Besides, RangerBoy is absolutely right. Reading this article, it doesn't say anything about Messier becoming GM, it says "getting involved in management". That is to say: Messier will start off in some scouting or assistant position as he learns the ropes. He has to start somewhere, and the Rangers would be a logical place.
Steve Yzerman's title in Vice President.He is learning the ropes.Yzerman attended the WJC's in Sweden scouting the various players in that tourny.Al MacInnis is the Blues VP of Hockey Operations and he scouted the Blues prospects recently-Erik Johnson and TJ Oshie.The Red Wings have Jim Devallano,Kenny Holland,Jim Nill and Yzerman.The Rangers would have Glen Sather,Don Maloney,Messier and Tom Renney(who will be part of the Rangers even if he isn't coaching)

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I am surprised the Captain does not want to coach. I figured with his leadership ability and his demeanor in the dressing room, he'd make a good coach...those are ofcourse skills that could be helpful in constructing a team as well...

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I am surprised the Captain does not want to coach. I figured with his leadership ability and his demeanor in the dressing room, he'd make a good coach...those are ofcourse skills that could be helpful in constructing a team as well...
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Let me guess: born in the 1990s?

One supposes a persuasive case can be made against Mark Messier becoming NYR's GM anytime in the near future.

However, to suggest that he was "maybe" a "good" player...and to refer to the guy who is the #1 reason it is not 67 years and counting of no Cups in Manhattan as a "moron"...is the height of absurdity and disrespect (not to mention utter lack of appreciation of the not-so-distance past), especially coming from an NYR fan.

Sorry, but that's my opinion, as a hockey fan. Geez, talk about a "born yesterday" perspective.
thats the same tool that bashes the city of new york for no reason every chance he gets, he's just a troll and a fool that doesn't deserve the attention we just gave him

he won't even be back to respond to your points

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