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01-27-2014, 06:56 AM
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They're dumb but unfortunately I don't think they're that dumb to trade off their 2015 pick.
If Steve Tambellini was still their GM, would you consider the chances of that happening higher than now? Both of them are terrible GMs, MacT with his apparent overvaluing of players and Steve leading his team to 3 consecutive 1st overalls.

I agree though, they probably are not that dumb to trade that pick. It would be funny if id did happen though and it becomes yet another 1st overall.

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I just really want Ekblad, and I don't really quite care what it takes to get him.

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Maybe a Coburn for Justin Schultz +2nd rounder (2015) type of deal could be worked out. Flyers were in on him until the end so we know the like him a lot.

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01-27-2014, 09:42 AM
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I swear on my life I didn't... great minds think alike, we need a rebuild' actually, not even that.. we need a Re-Tool
Better Defense/ 2 snipers/ and team speed/
3 things this accomplishes, all while getting younger, PLUS if my calculations are correct, if done would be slightly under our current cap.

Kimmo can fetch a first... kubina got a 2nd and a 4th....
Hartnell plus a 2nd to a playoff team who needs physical play with a scoring touch would fetch a 1st
WPG Needs a center, they receive draft picks to help with their rebuild, and we've been linked to Buff for awhile now
Vinny a salary dump? He was the most sought after FA, unfortunately the Flyers are to slow to use him properly... your whole team can't be slow.
We arent getting Vanek? I'll take your word.. you seem to know the future perfectly, as if you predicted it yourself, just like the fact you "doubt" buff has the Flyers on HIS list
Money talks, playing with Giroux, I think he'd consider it and thrive in Philadelphia

Edit: These trades/fa pickups make the Flyers a very well rounded team that is young and can compete for the foreseeable future. (un-like now)
Still would have possibly Morin, Hagg, & Ghost developing properly for the future
& our core is still intact.
Obviously this is hypothetical (like everyones post in this thread) but I find it hard to argue the fact that this roster would be a cup contending team, and like I said, a little bit cheaper also... with the cap raise, anything is possible to make it even better.

Buff is overrated, and I do not want him on this team. He will cost too much and he does not have the speed and puck moving qualities in defenseman that we desperately need.

Vanek is almost certainly going to Minnesota if they offer a contract even close to the other teams. His family lives there and he likes it a lot. Of course I'm sure he would look at all options he probably won't choose Philly.

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I just really want Ekblad, and I don't really quite care what it takes to get him.
Me too. Of course trading several pieces would hurt the team in the coming season, but maybe that is not a bad thing with the 2015 draft coming up.

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01-27-2014, 10:05 AM
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If Steve Tambellini was still their GM, would you consider the chances of that happening higher than now? Both of them are terrible GMs, MacT with his apparent overvaluing of players and Steve leading his team to 3 consecutive 1st overalls.

I agree though, they probably are not that dumb to trade that pick. It would be funny if id did happen though and it becomes yet another 1st overall.
If Tambo was still there, there would be zero chance it gets moved. That guy was so passive it wasn't even funny.

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01-27-2014, 10:08 AM
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How would this look? Our 4th line would actually look like it could go something. Akeson I think would do well with Couts and Read.

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Brayden Schenn ($2.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
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Jason Akeson ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Michael Raffl ($0.900m) / Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
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Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Matt Niskanen ($3.500m)
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01-27-2014, 10:11 AM
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That defense isn't different enough, I still see the same issues.

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I feel that is about what is going to be next year for the defense. However, I feel in the following year, I could see Morin, Hagg and Ghost joining the big club full time.

Coburn-Ghost
Morin-Streit
Hagg-Gus

Not sure about Schenn...

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I feel that is about what is going to be next year for the defense. However, I feel in the following year, I could see Morin, Hagg and Ghost joining the big club full time.

Coburn-Ghost
Morin-Streit
Hagg-Gus

Not sure about Schenn...
I can absolutely see them doing minimal change until the help arrives from the kids. I don't want to see 3 or 4 long term deals clogging up roster spots.

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01-27-2014, 10:38 AM
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There's really no quick fixes out there right now unless you feel like selling the farm otherwise it will have to band-aids from here on out.

I would ship Grossmann out as well. I like Nik & think he's a solid player despite the rough stretch going on right now but we can get some value for him right now & he's kind of redundant with Schenn in the fold as well.

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01-27-2014, 02:25 PM
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There's really no quick fixes out there right now unless you feel like selling the farm otherwise it will have to band-aids from here on out.

I would ship Grossmann out as well. I like Nik & think he's a solid player despite the rough stretch going on right now but we can get some value for him right now & he's kind of redundant with Schenn in the fold as well.
Agreed 1000%. some flyers fans dont see that next season Flyers have room for 1 big fa signing and thats it. You could be looking at
Girardi-Coburn
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Schenn-Gus

Grossmann and Schenn bring the same things to the table and its not working. why would you try the same thing again this season?

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01-27-2014, 02:47 PM
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There's really no quick fixes out there right now unless you feel like selling the farm otherwise it will have to band-aids from here on out.
I agree about there isn't any quick fixes but it doesn't mean that the Flyers can't get a jump on become title contenders. The defense needs to be rebuilt. If that means sacrificing forward talent and creating holes upfront so be it.

The only quality defensemen they could get would be young guys who have not established themselves yet so they would need some NHL seasoning: guys that are currently struggling at the NHL level like J Schultz, Gardiner, and Pysyk or guys who are near NHL ready like Beaulieu or Gormley. Even getting a guy at 2 years plus his draft year will expedite the process. The faster they get some young guys into the lineup the faster that 3-4 year learning curve takes place.

As far as holes created up front by trades, forward prospects have a smaller development curve. The flyers also have a much better track record for finding forward talent. It's not like the Flyers would be trading Giroux or Voracek so you are looking at 2nd and 3rd liners that would be needed. Those spots could easily be filled by a typical flyers 1st round forward draft pick at 1 year post draft, 2 years tops.

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I wonder if we are scouting Montreal anymore and vice versa still... Haven't heard anything in that front

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I agree about there isn't any quick fixes but it doesn't mean that the Flyers can't get a jump on become title contenders. The defense needs to be rebuilt. If that means sacrificing forward talent and creating holes upfront so be it.

The only quality defensemen they could get would be young guys who have not established themselves yet so they would need some NHL seasoning: guys that are currently struggling at the NHL level like J Schultz, Gardiner, and Pysyk or guys who are near NHL ready like Beaulieu or Gormley. Even getting a guy at 2 years plus his draft year will expedite the process. The faster they get some young guys into the lineup the faster that 3-4 year learning curve takes place.

As far as holes created up front by trades, forward prospects have a smaller development curve. The flyers also have a much better track record for finding forward talent. It's not like the Flyers would be trading Giroux or Voracek so you are looking at 2nd and 3rd liners that would be needed. Those spots could easily be filled by a typical flyers 1st round forward draft pick at 1 year post draft, 2 years tops.
This is essentially my thinking as well.

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I agree about there isn't any quick fixes but it doesn't mean that the Flyers can't get a jump on become title contenders. The defense needs to be rebuilt. If that means sacrificing forward talent and creating holes upfront so be it.

The only quality defensemen they could get would be young guys who have not established themselves yet so they would need some NHL seasoning: guys that are currently struggling at the NHL level like J Schultz, Gardiner, and Pysyk or guys who are near NHL ready like Beaulieu or Gormley. Even getting a guy at 2 years plus his draft year will expedite the process. The faster they get some young guys into the lineup the faster that 3-4 year learning curve takes place.

As far as holes created up front by trades, forward prospects have a smaller development curve. The flyers also have a much better track record for finding forward talent. It's not like the Flyers would be trading Giroux or Voracek so you are looking at 2nd and 3rd liners that would be needed. Those spots could easily be filled by a typical flyers 1st round forward draft pick at 1 year post draft, 2 years tops.
I rather just do what San Jose did last year & sell off all the UFA's/dead weight & pick up some picks or prospects in the process even if they aren't phenomenal returns (which they likely won't be unless someone gets really desperate).

I rather just patch some holes for the time being with some UFA's that you won't back the bank with than trade a guy like Schenn or Couturier (who I'm not even really high on as many around here are). If you could move a guy like Laughton & one of the assets you would acquire from selling off players to acquire one of those young unproven defenders than I would do it.

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I rather just patch some holes for the time being with some UFA's that you won't back the bank with than trade a guy like Schenn or Couturier (who I'm not even really high on as many around here are). If you could move a guy like Laughton & one of the assets you would acquire from selling off players to acquire one of those young unproven defenders than I would do it.
I would much rather trade a roster forward than Laughton. Laughton's upside is a question mark but he is a plus skater which this team has in short supply. Also prospects return less in a trade than an NHLer. But the biggest reason I would keep him over a roster player is his cap hit. The Flyers continually screw themselves by spending to the cap each year. Cap space is as much of a commodity as a player. Another way to get good players for cheap is when they are cap dumps like Brian Campbell. Brian Burke got Cody Franson for simply taking Matt Lombardi off Nashville's hands. Holmgren himself got Carolina to throw in Alt to take Boosh. Lastly one of the big reasons Toronto won the bernier sweeps last year was because the retained a half a mil in salary, giving LA even more cap flexibility.

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I would much rather trade a roster forward than Laughton. Laughton's upside is a question mark but he is a plus skater which this team has in short supply. Also prospects return less in a trade than an NHLer. But the biggest reason I would keep him over a roster player is his cap hit. The Flyers continually screw themselves by spending to the cap each year. Cap space is as much of a commodity as a player. Another way to get good players for cheap is when they are cap dumps like Brian Campbell. Brian Burke got Cody Franson for simply taking Matt Lombardi off Nashville's hands. Holmgren himself got Carolina to throw in Alt to take Boosh. Lastly one of the big reasons Toronto won the bernier sweeps last year was because the retained a half a mil in salary, giving LA even more cap flexibility.
We'll see it's probably unlikely that they do either of our ideas anyway seeing how they operate.

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If Tambo was still there, there would be zero chance it gets moved. That guy was so passive it wasn't even funny.
Never paid much attention to the guy. In fact I do not really pay attention to MacT either. So, I guess he would be more willing to pony up that pick that Steve then. Someone needs to get him drunk and on the phone with Holmgren.

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According to league sources, the defensemen available right now are such names as Florida's Mike Weaver or Colorado's Ryan Wilson. They are more like rental stopgaps, not contender gap closers.
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Mike Weaver is someone I wound't mind bringing in here actually. He is a right handed shot(which he doesn't have/use) but would help with the right defense in the Ozone trying to get the puck in. He would be cheap too, and would look good paired with Gus on the third pairing. Now, where does luke Schenn fit in then?

We really need right handed defenseman. I am just sick of seeing Coburn or Streit have to go from back hand to forehand while a forward is coming down on him, then they just make a sloppy play and turn the puck over.

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Mike Weaver is someone I wound't mind bringing in here actually. He is a right handed shot(which he doesn't have/use) but would help with the right defense in the Ozone trying to get the puck in. He would be cheap too, and would look good paired with Gus on the third pairing. Now, where does luke Schenn fit in then?

We really need right handed defenseman. I am just sick of seeing Coburn or Streit have to go from back hand to forehand while a forward is coming down on him, then they just make a sloppy play and turn the puck over.
If those guys are the only ones available, then the flyers should just pull the plug on the season.

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Who are the top upcoming college UFAs this year?

The Flyers always seem to be in on them (DeKeyser, Da Costa, Bozak, Hartzell, Schultz, Sustr) and have got some pretty decent players this way (Gus, Read, Powe, Zolnierczyk) and get a lot of decent AHLers this way. (Flanagan, Heeter, Holmstrom, Testwuide, Lauridsen, Mangene. )

I do not really follow College hockey as much as I do Juniors and Finland and Sweden, so do not really have a clue!

And it seems likely the Flyers will be in on the guys who are potential NHLers... as they always are.

And is it not only like a month away until they will start to be signed?


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Who are the top upcoming college UFAs this year?

The Flyers always seem to be in on them (DeKeyser, Da Costa, Bozak, Hartzell, Schultz, Sustr) and have got some pretty decent players this way (Gus, Read, Powe, Zolnierczyk) and get a lot of decent AHLers this way. (Flanagan, Heeter, Holmstrom, Testwuide, Lauridsen, Mangene. )

I do not really follow College hockey as much as I do Juniors and Finland and Sweden, so do not really have a clue!

And it seems likely the Flyers will be in on the guys who are potential NHLers... as they always are.

And is it not only like a month away until they will start to be signed?
F Greg Carey, St. Lawrence
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=39495
F Ryan Haggerty, RPI
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F Austin Czarnik, Miami
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=20707
D Trevor van Riemsdyk, UNH
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=60230
D Ahti Oksanen, BU
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G Ryan McKay, Miami
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=45719
G C.J. Motte, Ferris State
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=39407

That's just a few but it doesn't seem like a good year on that front. Carey was a hot commodity last summer but went back to school, the Flyers were interested in him seeing as he was a teammate of Kyle Flanagan. TVR just got hurt & is out for the year so he could likely return for his senior year.


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Thanks!

TVR and Oksanen were the only two of those guys who I was aware of.

Carey and Haggerty seem like they could be NHL players from their resumes... how good is Czarnik? As his size would seemingly hold him back... seems tiny!

Interesting that the Flyers have already had contact/interest in Carey and TVR.

How do they all project as NHL players? Middle 6ers and #4 d men?

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Thanks!

TVR and Oksanen were the only two of those guys who I was aware of.

Carey and Haggerty seem like they could be NHL players from their resumes... how good is Czarnik? As his size would seemingly hold him back... seems tiny!

Interesting that the Flyers have already had contact/interest in Carey and TVR.

How do they all project as NHL players? Middle 6ers and #4 d men?
McKay was at our camp last year as well.

I would imagine they all project bottom 6, bottom 4 pairing, & backup goalies at best but who knows one of them could be the next Matt Read or Torey Krug for all we know.

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