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02-02-2007, 10:10 AM
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2nd Line Center - Derek Armstrong?

Ok, before Im crucified for this, hear me out.
He's in the final year of his deal, he doesnt make much, and he's the kind of guy that would probably re-sign with a team that showed him some loyalty and had a spot for him.

GP G A PTS ATOI +/-
Derek Armstrong, C 49 8 25 33 14:41 10

He plays for the Kings, and while he's had Frolov on his wing a ton, Fro's been pretty streaky this season and Derek is clearly working hard for a contract for next season. On a horrible defensive team he's a +10 and has 33 in 49 with marginal talent (aside from Fro)

He's been listed as a player Lombardi is trying to move. Though the Kings are one of only a couple of teams in the position of seller, thus strengthening their bargaining position, I still dont think they'll get too much for Derek. his numbers are better than Conroy's were, but he doesnt carry that same level of experience and history of reasonable scoring prowess.

If the Rangers could just give up a low/middle draft pick and maybe a stop-gap type player along the lines of what the Kings got with Lundmark, they may still have room/assets to acquire a stay-at-home defenseman as well, then two major issues have been addressed. We have a second line center that will work hard and can distribute the puck along with defensive responsibility, and a d-man.

Unfortunately I gotta wonder if this is enough to get into the playoffs and make a dent...Im so sick of wasting brilliant performances by Henrik...

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02-02-2007, 10:16 AM
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He projects to have 2 more points than Cullen — who we've all realized is not a second line center.

He's not my first choice.

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I'm sure Armstrong would love to return here... Seriously, after the way he was buried here, and how he finally got his shot in LA, why wouldn't he have this loyalty you speak of with the Kings? Armstrong willingly coming back here is about as likely as Tina Turner getting back with Ike.

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Ike treats his women great! so there is a chance

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02-02-2007, 10:31 AM
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I'm sure Armstrong would love to return here... Seriously, after the way he was buried here, and how he finally got his shot in LA, why wouldn't he have this loyalty you speak of with the Kings? Armstrong willingly coming back here is about as likely as Tina Turner getting back with Ike.
I think he's over the past, and with the way things are going here in Los Angeles, pretty much no one is safe. He also knows that, like a lot of players right now, no matter which uniform he's wearing he will be audtioning for a job next year. He'll be grateful for anything he's offered over two years. I dunno, I think Atlanta might be inquiring about his services too.

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Rangers do not have an history of getting back their own products after giving up on them. Wont happen in other words...

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Rangers do not have an history of getting back their own products after giving up on them. Wont happen in other words...
Nedved? Kovalev? Hlavac? Messier?

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He projects to have 2 more points than Cullen — who we've all realized is not a second line center.

He's not my first choice.
Not my first choice either, but if we're looking to go the cheap route, he might not be a bad addition.

I'm not sure where you got your numbers that he projects to only have 2 more points than Cullen this season.

Cullen is on pace for 37 PTS (16G/21A), Armstrong is on pace for 52 PTS (13G, 39A). In fact, Armstrong has 2 more assists than Cullen has points right now (they both have 49GP) and is more of a playmaker type. Plus, Armstrong hasn't had the talent surrounding him like Cullen has this season.

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Not my first choice either, but if we're looking to go the cheap route, he might not be a bad addition.

Cullen is on pace for 37 PTS (16G/21A), Armstrong is on pace for 52 PTS (13G, 39A). In fact, Armstrong has 2 more assists than Cullen has points right now and is more of a playmaker type.
I'm looking for a true stop-gap guy who the Rangers are not committed to beyond this season. But he has to be an upgrade to what he have.

I liked the idea of Niewendyke. I like the idea of Smolinsky now.

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Nedved? Kovalev? Hlavac? Messier?
Ndved and Messier were not NYR products. Kovalev was our draftee, but in fact developed in Russia. Hlavac is the only one, but one is not enough for the history.

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I like the idea of Smolinsky now.
Not bad.

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Youre grasping at straws buddy. Hlavac spent more time developing in his home country than Kovalev, and he wasnt even a Rangers draft pick. I dont think it matters if they were drafted by the Rangers, it only matters if they were once part of the organization.

I havent watched Armstrong more than once or twice a year since he left the Ranger organization so my last impression of him is as a great AHL scorer, NHL not so much so I think I'd stay away.

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Youre grasping at straws buddy. Hlavac spent more time developing in his home country than Kovalev, and he wasnt even a Rangers draft pick. I dont think it matters if they were drafted by the Rangers, it only matters if they were once part of the organization.

I havent watched Armstrong more than once or twice a year since he left the Ranger organization so my last impression of him is as a great AHL scorer, NHL not so much so I think I'd stay away.
For that matter, Armstrong wasn't an NYR draft pick either. He was acually drafted by the Islanders

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For that matter, Armstrong wasn't an NYR draft pick either. He was acually drafted by the Islanders
Correct. One way or another Sather gave up on him and he wasn't his pick. He is not coming back.

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Plus, Armstrong hasn't had the talent surrounding him like Cullen has this season.
<cough> frolov <cough>

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here's what I'm going to do...without reading any of the posts here(no offense to anyone), I will say one thing:

NO!


How's that for an answer?

he's a 3rd liner playing on a 2nd line...he is another Betts, Ward, take your pick. Guys, lets stop wasting time on "how about this guy" posts...armstrong and boyes are not a solution.

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I like he fact he is +10 on an awfull team. Means he is playing well. However, I don't think Rangers will do anything until Forsberg issue gets decided.

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here's what I'm going to do...without reading any of the posts here(no offense to anyone), I will say one thing:

NO!


How's that for an answer?

he's a 3rd liner playing on a 2nd line...he is another Betts, Ward, take your pick. Guys, lets stop wasting time on "how about this guy" posts...armstrong and boyes are not a solution.


I don't think Armstrong is what we need; he's more of a forechecker than a playmaker. And he's 33, to boot, so he's probably not going to get any better.

I still think Boyes would be a great fit if he's indeed available.


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I don't think Armstrong is what we need; he's more of a forechecker than a playmaker. And he's 33, to boot, so he's probably not going to get any better.

I still think Boyes would be a great fit if he's indeed available.
I don't think if you are going to make a move you need to definitely get someone who is going to get better.

I'm looking for a rental in every sense of the word. Someone who will not cost a lot to get, is an upgrade to what we have and someone who is not under contract for next season.

If Boyes is obtainable for a reasonable price, I guess you have to consider him as well.

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<cough> frolov <cough>
Frolov or not, he still doesn't have the talent around him like Cullen does.

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Uh. Armstrong is one of the only people Krog is better than

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Nedved? Kovalev? Hlavac? Messier?
i was thinking the same thing.. lol..

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Uh. Armstrong is one of the only people Krog is better than
The numbers definitely bear that out.

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I don't think Armstrong is the answer either. Smolinski is probably a better alternative considering his probable cost and the talent level he brings. Nieuwendyk having to retire killed my first option. He would have been great as a 2nd line center.

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