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C John Tavares (2009, 1st overall, NYI) I & II

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01-29-2007, 10:56 AM
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They are 20 years old and haven't been drafted or signed by an NHL team. Any decent 20 year old can put up point totals in junior playing against players 2-3 years younger than them. They'll be lucky to make the AHL.
know one can tell for sure

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01-29-2007, 10:57 AM
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I'm not completely positive, but I'm pretty sure the points record is held by Gretzky with 182 in 77-78. Where as the goals record is held by Lindros with 71 in 90-91.
Bobby Smith put up 192 points in '77-78 and Ciccarelli scored 72 goals that year too, and Peter Lee scored 81 goals in 1975-76, but all this was in the OHA, so technically not OHL. Ernie Godden scored 87 goals in '80-81 season (followed by guys with 81 and 78 goals respectively), which looks to be the OHL record (and OHA, if you consider it the same league). Ray Sheppard potted 81 (in only 63 games) in '85-86, which isn't bad either, especially since he won the goal scoring race by 19 goals.

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know one can tell for sure
Get off your Donati love train. They are both good OA's, but that's about it at this point. They are both small players and don't have that elite speed to succeed at the next level. The Donati's remind me of a less talented Darren Haydar.

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Get off your Donati love train. They are both good OA's, but that's about it at this point. They are both small players and don't have that elite speed to succeed at the next level. The Donati's remind me of a less talented Darren Haydar.
I was talking about how they will be lucky to make it to the AHL, and im sorry but i thought they were drafted as they went to Wings camp. I agree noiw that they wont make it, but I just thought they deserved some respect

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01-29-2007, 04:33 PM
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Bobby Smith put up 192 points in '77-78 and Ciccarelli scored 72 goals that year too, and Peter Lee scored 81 goals in 1975-76, but all this was in the OHA, so technically not OHL. Ernie Godden scored 87 goals in '80-81 season (followed by guys with 81 and 78 goals respectively), which looks to be the OHL record (and OHA, if you consider it the same league). Ray Sheppard potted 81 (in only 63 games) in '85-86, which isn't bad either, especially since he won the goal scoring race by 19 goals.
OHL....OHA...same league.

the top ten in 80-81

1 John Goodwin Sault Ste Marie 56 110 166
2 Ernie Godden Windsor 87 66 153
3 Bernie Nicholls Kingston 63 89 152
4 Tony Tanti Oshawa 81 69 150
5 Steve Ludzik Niagara 50 92 142
6 Scott Howson Kingston 57 83 140
7 Steve Larmer Niagara 55 78 133
8 Randy Cunneyworth Ottawa 54 74 128
9 Steve Gatzos Sault Ste Marie 78 50 128
10 Doug Shedden Sault Ste Marie 51 72 123

A good link on the standings and scorers in the 80's for those of you old enough to remember..

http://www.prohockeyfr.com/Junior/cl...ntsOHL8190.htm

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Well, Tavares is on a pace to score 76 goals and 67 assists (143 points), I think, while Crosby had 54+81=135 at the same age (in only 59 games, though, while Tavares will most likely get up to 67 games, so Sid would still own him at PPG).

And Tavares has one season behind him already, but still, if he keeps the pace, I consider it amazing (and which league has higher scoring, I don't know, but that could be a factor).

The thing is (I think), that since Tavares has a late birthday he still has two seasons after this one before he can even be drafted which makes this more of an issue than it was with Crosby.

IF Tavares manages to finish the season with his goals per game ration clearly over 1, at this age, I really don't think it's a good idea to keep him in the juniors two more seasons. Plus I want to see him in Europe

BTW, does anyone know the OHL/CHL records for most goals/points?
I thought the OHL only played 68 games..........and didn't Tavares miss some games already this year?

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I thought the OHL only played 68 games..........and didn't Tavares miss some games already this year?
They do only play 68...and Tavares has missed 1 game so far this season.

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01-30-2007, 08:59 PM
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OHL....OHA...same league.

the top ten in 80-81

1 John Goodwin Sault Ste Marie 56 110 166
2 Ernie Godden Windsor 87 66 153
3 Bernie Nicholls Kingston 63 89 152
4 Tony Tanti Oshawa 81 69 150
5 Steve Ludzik Niagara 50 92 142
6 Scott Howson Kingston 57 83 140
7 Steve Larmer Niagara 55 78 133
8 Randy Cunneyworth Ottawa 54 74 128
9 Steve Gatzos Sault Ste Marie 78 50 128
10 Doug Shedden Sault Ste Marie 51 72 123

A good link on the standings and scorers in the 80's for those of you old enough to remember..

http://www.prohockeyfr.com/Junior/cl...ntsOHL8190.htm
Somewhat scary that none of those names are really standout (aside from Larmer) as doing anything good in the NHL, I hope for better with Tavares.

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Somewhat scary that none of those names are really standout (aside from Larmer) as doing anything good in the NHL, I hope for better with Tavares.
Cunneyworth, Nicholls and Tanti all had solid careers and Ludzik wasn't that bad either.

5/10 making the NHL and actually doing something is a pretty good ratio.

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The guy should look at playing in europe in the future -- he'll get nothing more out of the CHL.
He's got a year and a half left in the OHL and then he'll be playing for the team that takes him first overall in the NHL Entry Draft.

Forget Europe...

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He's got a year and a half left in the OHL and then he'll be playing for the team that takes him first overall in the NHL Entry Draft.

Forget Europe...
Only problem with that is he's not eligible until 2009, he has 2 and a half years left in the OHL before he is drafted.

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01-31-2007, 08:26 AM
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Wow.

I just read his player of the week write-up on the OHL website. This guy is insanely good. There is no way he can be in the OHL for two-and-a-half more years. 50 goals in 44 games as a 16-year-old? Holy smokes. I wish I lived in Oshawa.

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I wish I lived in Oshawa.
Thats crazy talk.

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Ouch. Poor Oshawa.

I'm sure we all want to see more of Tavares, though. Saw one game vs. St. Mike's last year, I think he had three assists, despite the fact that he didn't seem to be playing all that well.

It's exciting to think that he might become exponentially better for his two remaining OHL seasons, and that he might attract Crosby-like media buzz.

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I thought the OHL only played 68 games..........and didn't Tavares miss some games already this year?
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They do only play 68...and Tavares has missed 1 game so far this season.

Exactly. Which would mean that if he stays healthy and has no other reasons to miss games, he will end up with 67 games played.

I didn't actually know they played 68 games so I went up to the schedule and counted the games they had left.

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Somewhat scary that none of those names are really standout (aside from Larmer) as doing anything good in the NHL, I hope for better with Tavares.
What a joke for you to say that. Nicholls scored 150 points in one freaking season and has like 1000 points or something. Tanti was a regualr 30-40 goal scorer for several years for the Canucks. Randy Cunneyworth was in the NHL for a long time and was a Captain of the Ottawa Sens. Ludzik and Shedden were around the NHL for awhile too.

6 players making the NHL out of 10 is quite high. And Larmer an Nicholls were stars and just below the level of HHOFers.

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John Tavares ***???

Went to the Colts/Generals game last night hoping to get a glimpse of the return of the son of the sequel of the next "next one".

His first shift consisted of a spear in the stomach and a punch he threw at a guy who wasn't looking. Neither resulted in a penalty. He did take 3 stupid slashing and elbowing penalties, and the end result was a 4-0 blowout by the Colts. He did absolutely nothing all game. I know it's only one game, but I expected a lot more out of him, even if he is only 16. At least he isn't shy.

Also thought I'd mention the "class" move by James Delory after a good fight . Once they both stopped, the linesmen moved in and when the one put his arms around Lombardi, Delory suckerpunched him. Nice.

Cal Clutterbuck of the Generals, as irritating and pesty as he is, is very entertaining to watch and full of heart.

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John Tavares = bust lol

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At least he isn't shy.
Yeah..even though what you claim you saw seems dirty, at least he's not affraid to get into the rough stuff.

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Also thought I'd mention the "class" move by James Delory after a good fight . Once they both stopped, the linesmen moved in and when the one put his arms around Lombardi, Delory suckerpunched him. Nice.
I don't think the linesman had his arms around Lombardi. They had just started to break up the fight. It was borderline but I don't think there is a rule against that. Not in the NHL anyway. i don't remember guys getting penalties for that in the NHL. If he had hit the official he would and should be ejected.
In any event I applaud DeLory.
Sharks need someone with more than one ball who will beat the crap out of anyone who touches his teammates.

Teams with class are invariably losers. (see San Jose Sharks)

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I don't think the linesman had his arms around Lombardi. They had just started to break up the fight. It was borderline but I don't think there is a rule against that.
He was ejected from the game. IMHO that implies his actions may be frowned upon.

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Yeah..even though what you claim you saw seems dirty, at least he's not affraid to get into the rough stuff.
What I claim I saw? I went to the game to watch the Colts AND Tavares. Obviously he didn't bring his "A" game, but I sure wasn't expecting him to try to be a goon.

Maybe something happened last time these two teams met, but it was obvious what the Generals game plan was from the drop of the puck.

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What I claim I saw? I went to the game to watch the Colts AND Tavares. Obviously he didn't bring his "A" game, but I sure wasn't expecting him to try to be a goon.

Maybe something happened last time these two teams met, but it was obvious what the Generals game plan was from the drop of the puck.
Actually the fact he was willing to goon it up speaks volumes to me. The guy will be perfect for the new NHL. A star talent willing to deal with matters on his own. Thinking Mark Messier.....

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Donati had 6 point night to take over lead again

1. Donati 106
2. Taveras 103
3. Kane 101

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Tavares Eligibilty Rumor?

I recently heard a rumor that the NHL was considering lifting the age restriction rule on Tavares which would make him eligible for the upcoming draft.

Since his birthday is only 10 days after the deadline, the NHL would let him in since another year in the OHL wouldn't seem to accomplish anything and they NHL needs another young star to sell.

I wish i remember where I heard this rumor, but I don't. Has anybody heard anything like this?

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