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01-28-2014, 05:49 AM
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I like both.

Its a tie. I like Anisimov, he will be a bit underrated from time to time since he isn't that flashy, but he got good size and is good both ways. Plays a good centericemen game.

I also like Brassard. He isn't very consistent nor effective, but he is a -- darn talented -- hockey player. From my point of view, many underrates how talented he is. I definitely think NYR should lock him up long-term in a hurry. Let him establish himself in NY and build on what he already got. Might not turn into a 70 pts player plus minus a handful of pts, but with the way the game is developing, its on a team to be able to make use of someone with his raw abiliy. If you do the right thing with someone like Brassard, I think that you can't rule out that you get a Patrick Sharpe on your hand. If not, he will take the path of many other players like him. There are no guarantees. But an asset you want to hang onto none-the-less.

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I was always one of AA's biggest supporters but I think on this team Brassard is the better fit. He creates a lot more offense than AA ever did with his passing ability. When Brass is on he is a pretty dynamic threat and he's also a substantial part of our PP.

I'd still love to have AA on this team though.

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01-28-2014, 08:05 AM
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I think its been well stated that AA is better in his own zone and on the PK but Brass is better on the PP.

If we look at who we have killing penalties right now I don't think AA fits in so that doesnt matter to me. Moore is better on the face off and so is boyle so they are centering it. Cally is great on the PK and Hags is turning out to be a real good PK guy took in the sense that his speed ****s things up for a team passing around the blue line. So I don;t think AA would even make the PK right now.

So now its a matter of higher end offense production vs better two way player. Me personally i like two way players. The amount of odd man rush we are giving up is whats killing this team 5 on 5 though and I don't think AA can magically cover enough ice to stop those. So I think Brass is the better fit for this current team.

Over all I think they are both very similar level with different skill sets. If I had to pick one for a team I was building. Anisimov would get the nod. For this team i think the easy answer is Brassard.

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01-28-2014, 08:08 AM
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Pick your poison.

Its not a coincidence that the Rangers were a better even strength team with Anisimov and are a better PP team with Brassard.

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01-28-2014, 08:18 AM
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When they are both on..

Brassard>>Anisimov

When they are both off..

Anisimov>Brassard

I'll take Brassard
this is how I feel exactly

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01-28-2014, 08:35 AM
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I like them both but long term I'd take neither. They're both inconsistent and soft.

I have hope that Miller can be that 2-way physical center that this team desperately needs.

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AA is the better defensive player, but was just too hit or miss for me on the offensive side. I honestly think Brass towers over him on offense. He has the ability to make others around him better, I think Zuccs is a perfect example of that. The chemistry that these two have has been great. He's also a big part of the PP revival. In my opinion he was the best player on the ice in last years playoffs. The bad is that he stinks defensively, but I'm will to live with that for his offensive skills. I hope he ends up staying with the team.

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01-28-2014, 09:03 AM
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Poor man's Malkin vs poor man's inconsistent Crosby.
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01-28-2014, 09:48 AM
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I'll reserve judgment until after the season. I need to see more of Brassard especially in the post season again.

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I'll tell you one thing, I like the fact that I don't watch Brassard with a constant cringe and fear of him getting destroyed by a hit because he's skating with his head down. I don't miss that.

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01-28-2014, 11:21 AM
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Pick your poison.

Its not a coincidence that the Rangers were a better even strength team with Anisimov and are a better PP team with Brassard.
not only is it not a coincidence, it's actually not true.

last year we had Brassard, not AA...we were abysmal on the PP and the 3rd best even strength team in the NHL.

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01-28-2014, 12:15 PM
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not only is it not a coincidence, it's actually not true.

last year we had Brassard, not AA...we were abysmal on the PP and the 3rd best even strength team in the NHL.
You mean in that joke of a 48 game season, when they acquired Brassard in March? Yea, I think Ill take that one as an outlier.

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01-28-2014, 12:22 PM
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Brass, Dorsett, Moore are about an even trade for AA, Horak and Erixon, with the Rangers coming out a little ahead IMO.

So that leaves it Nash for Gabby, Dubi and #1. Short term, we lose out, but Gabby is brittle and at the end of his contract. So next year, we'd have Dubi instead of Nash on the wing, plus a middling prospect chosen at #19. I don't think that's worth Nash.

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not only is it not a coincidence, it's actually not true.

last year we had Brassard, not AA...we were abysmal on the PP and the 3rd best even strength team in the NHL.
Brassard only moved to NY in April. Our bad PP started 3 years ago. Not saying it was all on AA, because I love him to death, but now with Brassard, and of course guys like Zucc, Nash and Stepan, our PP looks much better.

I feel it has more to do with the coaching

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Arty is the top c in clb no? Both are good players
. I'm fine w brass and do the Nash trade every time
Not even close. Anisimov mostly plays third line with Jenner and Letestu.

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01-28-2014, 01:56 PM
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I really don't like comparing players who play two entirely different games as is the case here. Both have different strengths and weaknesses. That said, given the construction of the roster and philosophies and principles of this coaching staff, I take Brassard every time.

And that counts the fact that this team lacks a true #3 C, which is a role Anisimov would fill solidly.

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Not even close. Anisimov mostly plays third line with Jenner and Letestu.
Which is funny because Brassard is also the third line center with Zucc and Pouliot. So both these players play the same position to a tee.

Honestly, I loved Anisimov, I've always thought of him as Datsyuk-lite. With this team, I'll take Brassard solely based on what he does for the PP movement. Someone said it before that Anisimov wouldn't be playing PK with this situation and that is absolutely true. So, for this team, I will take Brassard.

But long term, I think Arty has a higher ceiling so I would go with him.

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01-28-2014, 02:02 PM
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In my opinion, Anisimov is better. That's why he was traded as part of a package for a elite goal scorer as opposed to a fading one.

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You mean in that joke of a 48 game season, when they acquired Brassard in March? Yea, I think Ill take that one as an outlier.
so let's get this straight. Brassard played 48 games last season, and 54 games with the Rangers this season.

basically the same thign with Anisimov.

the 48 game season, to you, is a "joke" and an "outlier"

but, this seasons 54 games, somehow, proves your point?


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Brassard only moved to NY in April. Our bad PP started 3 years ago. Not saying it was all on AA, because I love him to death, but now with Brassard, and of course guys like Zucc, Nash and Stepan, our PP looks much better.

I feel it has more to do with the coaching
yeah, id say it has everything to do with coaching. particularly the mass improvement in the powerplay, and much less so to do with the people on it....granted i would say there is more "skill" on this team than before, but skill teams don't always have the best powerplays, look at Nashville the past few years...outside of Webers bomb, they were basically a bunch of 2nd and 3rd line complimentary players.

I think this notion that Brassard and AA switching teams has magically made us a crappy 5 on 5 team and a wonderful PP team is completely wrong.

I dont think that has to do with it, i think it's the style of game we're playing, and if anything the first 40 or so games of this year really should be thrown out as a transition time when the team went from one radically different style to their current one.

coupled with Henrik Lundqvist playing very human to start the season.

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yeah, id say it has everything to do with coaching. particularly the mass improvement in the powerplay, and much less so to do with the people on it....granted i would say there is more "skill" on this team than before, but skill teams don't always have the best powerplays, look at Nashville the past few years...outside of Webers bomb, they were basically a bunch of 2nd and 3rd line complimentary players.

I think this notion that Brassard and AA switching teams has magically made us a crappy 5 on 5 team and a wonderful PP team is completely wrong.

I dont think that has to do with it, i think it's the style of game we're playing, and if anything the first 40 or so games of this year really should be thrown out as a transition time when the team went from one radically different style to their current one.

coupled with Henrik Lundqvist playing very human to start the season.
The Rangers aren't a crappy 5-on-5 team.

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I liked AA but his skating and habit of not keeping his head up made me crazy. He's going to get really badly injured if he doesn't fix it. Apparently he still has that problem.

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so let's get this straight. Brassard played 48 games last season, and 54 games with the Rangers this season.

basically the same thign with Anisimov.

the 48 game season, to you, is a "joke" and an "outlier"

but, this seasons 54 games, somehow, proves your point?

Brassard played 13 regular season games for the '12-13 Rangers, if you want to "get this straight"

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well, we went from 3rd to 17th...so definitely not as good...but we've improved steadily, which means that really shows how much the early part of this year is the outlier...

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Brassard played 13 regular season games for the '12-13 Rangers, if you want to "get this straight"
oh silly me.

so 13+53 = good solid span to judge what his impact on the team is.

the 48 games in between...totally irrelevant.

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