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01-29-2014, 09:17 AM
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Knowing our luck, he will regress fairly quickly if we decide not to buy him out. You just know it will happen.

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01-29-2014, 09:23 AM
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Can someone post the cap implications of buying him out the old fashioned way AFTER this summer? He's got 6 years left on his deal...obviously we're going to get reduced production from him going forward. The question is how badly a buyout down the road will hurt our cap situation.

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01-29-2014, 09:27 AM
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Frankly I don't think Sather gives an eff about the cap benefit recapture penalty. He won't be around to deal with it.
he's not an idiot that will screw the teams future. This is really a non issue. Brad is bought out 100% cause they have too. The cap recapture kills them

I give Richards credit for bouncing back with a good yr so far. He is off to Tbay again in the offseason. Book it

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01-29-2014, 09:31 AM
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Can someone post the cap implications of buying him out the old fashioned way AFTER this summer? He's got 6 years left on his deal...obviously we're going to get reduced production from him going forward. The question is how badly a buyout down the road will hurt our cap situation.
Let's say the Rangers keep Richards this year and the following, and buy him out in the summer of 2016 - he'd be 36 at that point.

They'd be hit with a 500k penalty that season(16/17), 6.5m the following three years (17/18-19/20), and then 833k for the following four years (20/21-23/24).

The numbers are even worse if they decide to keep him for one more year and buy him out in 2015.

I get the argument that Richards has played well this year (I disagree honestly), and that getting rid of him opens a big hole in the lineup (I do agree).

But even with an increased cap, that's a huge amount of money to try to budget around. Not to mention, the idea that the cap is going to steadily continue to increase is a very pro-player agenda, and not necessarily the truth. This is a contract that could continue to hurt this team for the next DECADE if they don't make the correct decision here.

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01-29-2014, 09:41 AM
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Let's say the Rangers keep Richards this year and the following, and buy him out in the summer of 2016 - he'd be 36 at that point.

They'd be hit with a 500k penalty that season(16/17), 6.5m the following three years (17/18-19/20), and then 833k for the following four years (20/21-23/24).

The numbers are even worse if they decide to keep him for one more year and buy him out in 2015.

I get the argument that Richards has played well this year (I disagree honestly), and that getting rid of him opens a big hole in the lineup (I do agree).

But even with an increased cap, that's a huge amount of money to try to budget around. Not to mention, the idea that the cap is going to steadily continue to increase is a very pro-player agenda, and not necessarily the truth. This is a contract that could continue to hurt this team for the next DECADE if they don't make the correct decision here.
Thanks...that scenario is terrible. And it's going on the assumption that we'll actually get 7M performances (or at least solid contributions) from Brad for two more seasons, which is certainly no sure thing.

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01-29-2014, 09:46 AM
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i dont think Richards has been a dominant player...and dominant players should be making the kind of money he is.

he's produced, but its been mainly on the PP and mainly because of what his linemates are doing.

let him walk, hold the capspace in case you get a "kovalchuk" caliber player hit the trade market and you need the space to fit him in.

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01-29-2014, 09:48 AM
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All signs point to Brad Richards being bought out this summer.
Hes improved his play and is playing as good as I expected him too. Much better than his recent years. I still cant believe it took so long for a professional athlete to get his diet and off-season training in check. I get heat for such statements but its true. Believe it or not, pro athletes dont always do everything to the abs best especially in the off-season to prepare. Its a shocker that he just decided to amp up his routine and watch his nutrition.

Anyway. Hes not having anywhere near an excellent enough year for him to be kept. And even if he was having a sick season, id still dont want to risk it and id trade him at that point or still buy him out. Because Brad Richards is not a bottom 2 center, and we can do better in the off-season. Rangers can afford the buy out.

And the cap raise expected should cover any losses for a bit.


We actually have a surplus of centers. Especially in our prospect pool.
I rather drop Richards, keep Boyle. Maybeeeeee go after Stastny.... Maybe (and that will alter what we do with Brassard/Stepan and how they finish the year)... and then we still have Miller in the ranks and Dom Moore who I like in the 4th line

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01-29-2014, 09:58 AM
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All signs point to Brad Richards being bought out this summer.
Hes improved his play and is playing as good as I expected him too. Much better than his recent years. I still cant believe it took so long for a professional athlete to get his diet and off-season training in check. I get heat for such statements but its true. Believe it or not, pro athletes dont always do everything to the abs best especially in the off-season to prepare. Its a shocker that he just decided to amp up his routine and watch his nutrition.

Anyway. Hes not having anywhere near an excellent enough year for him to be kept. And even if he was having a sick season, id still dont want to risk it and id trade him at that point or still buy him out. Because Brad Richards is not a bottom 2 center, and we can do better in the off-season. Rangers can afford the buy out.

And the cap raise expected should cover any losses for a bit.


We actually have a surplus of centers. Especially in our prospect pool.
I rather drop Richards, keep Boyle. Maybeeeeee go after Stastny.... Maybe (and that will alter what we do with Brassard/Stepan and how they finish the year)... and then we still have Miller in the ranks and Dom Moore who I like in the 4th line
I agree he has to be bought out. But I think it's arguable that we have a surplus of centers. Are you prepared to go into next season with Stepan/Brassard/Boyle or perhaps Stepan/Brassard/Miller/Boyle? Looks a little thin to me. Obviously if you buy out Richards there's got to be a plan to add more C depth, whether through trade or UFA signing.

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01-29-2014, 10:02 AM
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If a 34 year old Brad Richards were a UFA this summer, would you want to sign him to a six-year deal worth $6.667M per?

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If a 34 year old Brad Richards were a UFA this summer, would you want to sign him to a six-year deal worth $6.667M per?
that's a very, very good way of looking at it. and i'd say HELL NO.

i'd rather pay cally than pay richards that...and i really dont want to give cally what he's asking.

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I think Miller is more than ready to step into Brad Richards spot between Cally/whoever replaces cally and Hagelin.

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01-29-2014, 10:09 AM
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Frankly I don't think Sather gives an eff about the cap benefit recapture penalty. He won't be around to deal with it.
That's actually an excellent point.

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If a 34 year old Brad Richards were a UFA this summer, would you want to sign him to a six-year deal worth $6.667M per?
I dont even think hes been particularly good this year. Hes still a smart player, still can put up points, and his decision making has gotten better compared to the abortion of last season...but his skating, poor to begin with, seems to be regressing further. It looks even worse considering he has zero urgency to his game on a nightly basis.

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the bigger question is really who replaces Richards at the point. if it were me, I'd slot Zucc up there and go with this

Zucc and McD at the points..

Stepan Kreider & Nash up front for the first unit

Brassard Miller & Pouliot/someone else for the 2nd unit.

our PP may take a hit...lots of moving parts.

but id still have no thoughts whatsoever about buying Richards out.

we've already proven that we're at our best when we skate with speed...Richards brings down that quotient BIG TIME

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I dont even think hes been particularly good this year. Hes still a smart player, still can put up points, and his decision making has gotten better compared to the abortion of last season...but his skating, poor to begin with, seems to be regressing further. It looks even worse considering he has zero urgency to his game on a nightly basis.
totally agreed with this. Richards point production really doesnt seem to pass the "eye" test.

it's mostly secondary assists on the PP and just shooting a ton more.

its true of pretty much any player..shoot more, more pucks will go in.

He's on pace for almost 300 shots...thats really why his numbers have increased.

I'll take Miller next year and keep the space. Dont waste it on Stastny..hold on to it, maybe use it to re-up Staal.

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01-29-2014, 10:17 AM
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Hopefully Slats won't buy him out.. but Jeff Gorton will.

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If the Rangers aren't concerned about cap recapture and long term commitments,why is Sather playing hardball with Callahan and Girardi over term which is a major issue? Sather won't be around to deal with it. Why should Slats give a **** about an extra year or two? Same thing with Lundqvist. They went to 7 years only when things were about to spiral out of control. Without Lundqvist,the Rangers aren't close to a playoff spot. The amnesty allows the Rangers to get rid of a contract which ends in 2020 with the player being 40. McKenzie said the ages of Callahan and Girardi are the reason why the Rangers want no part of 7 year commitments. Both of them are 4-5 years younger than Richards. The amnesty allows the next GM(Gorton)to build the team in his image.

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totally agreed with this. Richards point production really doesnt seem to pass the "eye" test.

it's mostly secondary assists on the PP and just shooting a ton more.
That's not true. 6 of his 9 5-on-4 assists are primary assist.

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If the Rangers aren't concerned about cap recapture and long term commitments,why is Sather playing hardball with Callahan and Girardi over term which is a major issue? Sather won't be around to deal with it. Why should Slats give a **** about an extra year or two? Same thing with Lundqvist. They went to 7 years only when things were about to spiral out of control. Without Lundqvist,the Rangers aren't close to a playoff spot. The amnesty allows the Rangers to get rid of a contract which ends in 2020 with the player being 40. McKenzie said the ages of Callahan and Girardi are the reason why the Rangers want no part of 7 year commitments. Both of them are 4-5 years younger than Richards. The amnesty allows the next GM(Gorton)to build the team in his image.
This. If Callahan and/or Girardi are dealt - buy out Richards and give this team some true flexibility moving forward. I've felt all along that one of the big reasons Richards was held onto last summer was to drive down the contracts of McDonagh, Stepan and upcoming FAs (Cally, Girardi, etc)... to a degree it has worked.

Richards might be ok for 2 years but then its going to be a painful 4 YEARS afterwards. Still have to resign Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Kreider, Staal in that time if you want to hold onto them.

Brassard is UFA too... what do we do with him?

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This. If Callahan and/or Girardi are dealt - buy out Richards and give this team some true flexibility moving forward. I've felt all along that one of the big reasons Richards was held onto last summer was to drive down the contracts of McDonagh, Stepan and upcoming FAs (Cally, Girardi, etc)... to a degree it has worked.

Richards might be ok for 2 years but then its going to be a painful 4 YEARS afterwards. Still have to resign Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Kreider, Staal in that time if you want to hold onto them.

Brassard is UFA too... what do we do with him?
This is what makes it so difficult and frustrating to be a Ranger fan.

Perhaps Sather makes a couple of correct decisions in a row -- namely, Girardi and Callahan don't come off their large demands and get traded, and then Richards gets bought out. Then what? Does he panic with the need to replace these guys immediately?

Someone brought up the Nylander situation -- Sather did well by not caving into his demands, then he turned around and opened the vault for Drury and Gomez.

This is a 70 year old man on the job for 14 years with zero legacy to speak of. He hasn't shown an ounce of patience his entire time here - I dont think he starts now.

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That's not true. 6 of his 9 5-on-4 assists are primary assist.
fair enough...i do wonder how many of them are really just him moving the puck to someone who makes a play, rather than it being a great pass that opens someone up for an easier scoring chance.


basically, moving the puck around and getting an assist...thats what i "see"..i could be wrong of course.

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call me crazy, but I happily give a 28 year old Stastny Richards 6.66 million over 7 years.

Stastny can skate (a pre-req for AV's system) and is one of the most underrated defensive players in the game.

No selke's for him, but he's a better player than Brad is right now and 6 years younger.

and as mentioned in a previous post, I target both Winnik and Downie for 3rd line duties with JT Miller.

This summer is an opportunity to re-make this team in a manner that will be conducive to playing AV's system.

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This is what makes it so difficult and frustrating to be a Ranger fan.

Perhaps Sather makes a couple of correct decisions in a row -- namely, Girardi and Callahan don't come off their large demands and get traded, and then Richards gets bought out. Then what? Does he panic with the need to replace these guys immediately?

Someone brought up the Nylander situation -- Sather did well by not caving into his demands, then he turned around and opened the vault for Drury and Gomez.

This is a 70 year old man on the job for 14 years with zero legacy to speak of. He hasn't shown an ounce of patience his entire time here - I dont think he starts now.
Completely seeing where you are coming from. It would be a tough thing to ask from him. Its possible that next training camp Richards, Callahan, Girardi, Brassard, Boyle and Stralman are not here. How do you fill those holes? Free agency. So i get it. Thats why its all the more important to get roster players back in the deals for Cally and Girardi if they are made.

Some tough navigating ahead. I really hope theres a master plan in place.

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fair enough...i do wonder how many of them are really just him moving the puck to someone who makes a play, rather than it being a great pass that opens someone up for an easier scoring chance.


basically, moving the puck around and getting an assist...thats what i "see"..i could be wrong of course.
I'm not going through every PPG he assisted on, but three of his primary PPG assists from this month alone:

Nash goal vs WSH: simple pass to an open Nash, who then hesitates for a bit and scores from the hashmarks on a wristshot.

Kreider goal vs PHI: Kreider jukes like 2 guys and scores on that backhand. Richards made a lunging pass at the blueline to find Kreider on the sideboards/hashmarks, but ultimately a terrible play by PHI.

Nash goal vs CBJ: Passes from sideboards to an open Nash at the point, his wrist shot finds its way in.

I'm not trying to downplay what Richards has done this year, but he's brought nearly NOTHING that other players couldn't have also done, aside from playing center and scoring a few goals.

At least in Stepan's case, for example, he's made a few passes on the PP where you can say that it was the reason they scored. Richards, not so much.

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He will be BOed, the writing on the wall became clear after Sather handed new contract to Hank.
Richards is a serviceable NHL centre and he will find a job once bought out w/o problem, but he is not an elite C.
He could be replaced from within. It is hard to imagine any worse season for Stepan. He will be fine as a replacement having skating and size over Richards. The rest is a matter of time. To me Stepan is >> Stastny anyway.

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