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01-29-2014, 09:54 AM
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At this point, I just want them to stockpile picks in any draft. Enough of this dealing picks away.
Agreed.

Though at some point, we have to make a bold move at the draft. Not like Mcilrath bold, I mean making a play for a top pick to take a top prospect. Of course it's easy to say, but if I'm going to pay a high price I want that player to have HIGH upside.

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I thought Buchnevich played RW for Russia at WJC, no? I also saw him frequently coming off of right boards when he played for Severstal.

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01-29-2014, 10:12 AM
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I think I've said that before every draft

If anything I see us dealing picks at the deadline instead of stocking up on them.

But if im trying to secure more draft picks, it'd be for 2015
Dear God 2015 looks absolutely stacked. If those kind of prospects (McDavid, Eichel, Barzal, Hanifin, Werenski, Strome etc.) were available I'd say trade at the deadline for as many 1st round picks as possible. Sadly, 2014 looks rather average .

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01-29-2014, 10:36 AM
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Dear God 2015 looks absolutely stacked. If those kind of prospects (McDavid, Eichel, Barzal, Hanifin, Werenski, Strome etc.) were available I'd say trade at the deadline for as many 1st round picks as possible. Sadly, 2014 looks rather average .
I'm not a huge fan of ranking drafts. Every draft has its players, some have more high end talent, others just have good depth as the rounds go along. Either way our scouting staff should still be picking the best hockey players at our slot. 2009 was said to be a so-so draft and we got Kreider.

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01-29-2014, 11:06 AM
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I'm not a huge fan of ranking drafts. Every draft has its players, some have more high end talent, others just have good depth as the rounds go along. Either way our scouting staff should still be picking the best hockey players at our slot. 2009 was said to be a so-so draft and we got Kreider.
They also got Werek who they turned into Lindberg who looks to be a solid player.

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01-29-2014, 11:27 AM
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They also got Werek who they turned into Lindberg who looks to be a solid player.
Exactly, we flipped one asset for another, either way we came out of that draft with two young guys who can make a difference.

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01-29-2014, 11:43 AM
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Rangers drafted Skjei and then signed Allen who as of now is the more valuable property. So if they take a left handed defenseman with little potential offense, I'm going to be really bummed.

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01-29-2014, 11:46 AM
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Rangers drafted Skjei and then signed Allen who as of now is the more valuable property. So if they take a left handed defenseman with little potential offense, I'm going to be really bummed.
Are you saying that Allen is worth more right now than Skjei?

That's a very controversial statement around these parts

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01-29-2014, 11:51 AM
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This team should not be trading any picks this year, with so many organizational needs to fill.

Size, offensive defensemen, centers. That's the wishlist.

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Rangers drafted Skjei and then signed Allen who as of now is the more valuable property. So if they take a left handed defenseman with little potential offense, I'm going to be really bummed.
I actually think Allen has some offensive potential. Same with Skjei. But hey, that's just me.

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I actually think Allen has some offensive potential. Same with Skjei. But hey, that's just me.
Allen definitely has offensive potential. He put up good numbers his final year in college (19 points in 33 games) and has been a good puck-mover in Hartford.

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Can we please stop talking about drafting a big guy with high offensive ability at #20, much less later rounds?

While there are big players who break out offensively later, it is very rare. Big guys who don't go in the top 5 rarely have any real offensive skill. Those who don't go in the top 10 usually don't make the NHL.

Everyone wants to pay attention to Getzlaf, but I posted statistics here and for every Getzlaf, there are over a dozen big guys drafted in the teens and 20s who wind up never making the NHL.

Everyone wants big guys who can play, which is why they almost never leave the top 10, and if their skill is real, they will normally go in the top 5.

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I actually think Allen has some offensive potential. Same with Skjei. But hey, that's just me.
It'd be a breath of fresh air if we drafted a Dman who has a proven track record of offensive production at any level. Del Z may seem like yesterday but It'll be 6 years this June.

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01-29-2014, 12:06 PM
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Can we please stop talking about drafting a big guy with high offensive ability at #20, much less later rounds?

While there are big players who break out offensively later, it is very rare. Big guys who don't go in the top 5 rarely have any real offensive skill. Those who don't go in the top 10 usually don't make the NHL.

Everyone wants to pay attention to Getzlaf, but I posted statistics here and for every Getzlaf, there are over a dozen big guys drafted in the teens and 20s who wind up never making the NHL.

Everyone wants big guys who can play, which is why they almost never leave the top 10, and if their skill is real, they will normally go in the top 5.
I don't so much care about the player having a ton of skill, they just need to be able to skate well and stir the pot. They need a player like Foligno in Buffalo or Shaw in Chicago. Someone who can keep up with the play and be a pain in the ass.

I understand they won't be Getzlaf, but can they be Dorsett? Neil?

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It'd be a breath of fresh air if we drafted a Dman who has a proven track record of offensive production at any level. Del Z may seem like yesterday but It'll be 6 years this June.
I agree. I'm hoping they grab one in the 1st or 2nd round, although it does seem like they are being overvalued around the league come draft time, no?

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01-29-2014, 12:16 PM
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I doubt most people here want a first rounder who turns into another Dorsett.

I'd rather go for another middling player like Miller, Korps, Dubi (he was a second, but that's not the point) to make sure we get a useful player, then swing for the fences by drafting high skill guys who fell to the 2, 3 & 4 rounds because of their size, injury, poor pre-draft season, etc.

Ultimately, MZA is a lot more valuable despite his size than a big guy like Newbury or even Dorsett.

Skill>Size.

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I doubt most people here want a first rounder who turns into another Dorsett.

I'd rather go for another middling player like Miller, Korps, Dubi (he was a second, but that's not the point) to make sure we get a useful player, then swing for the fences by drafting high skill guys who fell to the 2, 3 & 4 rounds because of their size, injury, poor pre-draft season, etc.

Ultimately, MZA is a lot more valuable despite his size than a big guy like Newbury or even Dorsett.

Skill>Size.
Nobody here is saying to use 1st rounders on future Dorsetts.

We still need more players like him, whether you want to pick them or not.

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Are you saying that Allen is worth more right now than Skjei?

That's a very controversial statement around these parts
Eh not that controversial since he's playing well in the AHL and didn't look out of place in a couple of NHL games.

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Can we please stop talking about drafting a big guy with high offensive ability at #20, much less later rounds?

While there are big players who break out offensively later, it is very rare. Big guys who don't go in the top 5 rarely have any real offensive skill. Those who don't go in the top 10 usually don't make the NHL.

Everyone wants to pay attention to Getzlaf, but I posted statistics here and for every Getzlaf, there are over a dozen big guys drafted in the teens and 20s who wind up never making the NHL.

Everyone wants big guys who can play, which is why they almost never leave the top 10, and if their skill is real, they will normally go in the top 5.
Definitely. Drafting for size isn't a good strategy, especially if you aren't drafting in the top 5. Draft for skill, don't draft a guy who maybe might possibly become a skilled player just because he's also big.

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I doubt most people here want a first rounder who turns into another Dorsett.

I'd rather go for another middling player like Miller, Korps, Dubi (he was a second, but that's not the point) to make sure we get a useful player, then swing for the fences by drafting high skill guys who fell to the 2, 3 & 4 rounds because of their size, injury, poor pre-draft season, etc.

Ultimately, MZA is a lot more valuable despite his size than a big guy like Newbury or even Dorsett.

Skill>Size.
I was speaking of later round picks, not 1st's.

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rangers need to draft fast tenacious players. thats what wins nowadays. guys who can get in on the forecheck hard and push back defenses with their speed.

bigger is better obviously, but speed kills...we could use more of it.

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I feel like we've had this debate a million times.

My personally opinion is based on value, on what you can find via trade/FA every year vs what you cannot. It's not that hard to acquire one dimensional skill. Semin, PAP, Moulson, etc. What never, ever, hits the market until it is too broken down to e valuable are the Backes, Kesler types. Give me a player that has a 2-5% chance to be that every day over a 10% chance to be Briere.

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01-29-2014, 01:38 PM
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Are you saying that Allen is worth more right now than Skjei?

That's a very controversial statement around these parts
Allen is 24 with four years of NCAA experience and Brady is 19 and is a Soph. Allen seems to be a nice player; good bottom pair guy. Skjei has great size and skating ability and projects to be a top 4 d-man. There's no way that Allen is worth more than Skjei right now. He may end up being the better player but that remains to be seen

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rangers need to draft fast tenacious players. thats what wins nowadays. guys who can get in on the forecheck hard and push back defenses with their speed.

bigger is better obviously, but speed kills...we could use more of it.

Even though he's not looking great right now, I would draft a player like MSC in the 3-5 round every year, multiple of these players if I could. Sooner or later these 100+ junior guys will break out and we'll have a first liner on our hands. You draft one first liner in the middle rounds per decade and you are in phenomenal shape even though 95% of the others will fail to make the NHL.

On the other hand, we drafted Weise and Hollweg, and who cares that they made the NHL?

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Even though he's not looking great right now, I would draft a player like MSC in the 3-5 round every year, multiple of these players if I could. Sooner or later these 100+ junior guys will break out and we'll have a first liner on our hands. You draft one first liner in the middle rounds per decade and you are in phenomenal shape even though 95% of the others will fail to make the NHL.

On the other hand, we drafted Weise and Hollweg, and who cares that they made the NHL?
Considering the Rangers can't seem to develop any 4th line players who can PK and bring energy, I do.

Those guys should be easy to develop. They can't seem to do it.

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Considering the Rangers can't seem to develop any 4th line players who can PK and bring energy, I do.

Those guys should be easy to develop. They can't seem to do it.
they did develop Dale Voros i mean Weise.. but lost him to waivers.. they cant even do that the right way.. Yogan looks like a 4th liner in the AHL maybe injuries really hurt his development... i wont be shocked if he is dealt at the draft for a draft pick in the late rounds.

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One of Lindberg or Fast will probably end up a fourth line guy. If the offense doesn't translate, they should be nice bottom six types.

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