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01-29-2014, 12:09 PM
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When we're talking about their first, we really mean their 2nd. As it stands now, they'll likely have the 1st overall pick of the draft. The Devil's forfeited their 1st round pick this year bc of Kovalchuk, meaning that the 1st pick of the 2nd round will be the 30th pick of the draft - a pick that is in the 1st round every other year.
It's all moot anyways, Buffalo won't be adding at the deadline.

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Food for thought:

Callahan (9-11-20)

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Pouliot (8-11-19)

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I know they play significantly different roles, their defensive acumen is very different, etc. However, if you're not going to play Callahan in front of the net on the PP, his role on this team is greatly diminished. Is sentimental value and intangibles worth an extra 5 mil a year and for 7 years? Callahan isn't going to play any better than he is right now. It's just going to go downhill.

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When we're talking about their first, we really mean their 2nd. As it stands now, they'll likely have the 1st overall pick of the draft. The Devil's forfeited their 1st round pick this year bc of Kovalchuk, meaning that the 1st pick of the 2nd round will be the 30th pick of the draft - a pick that is in the 1st round every other year.

Ahh! Thx for the enlightenment. In that case ... I would really like to pick Draisaitl, whatever it takes

If we get three bodies back for Cally or Danny. I'll be a happy man. Still unrealistic.

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I wouldn't mind a 3rd liner coming back like Foligno. Someone who can play a rough and tumble game with some upside would be nice. But There would need to be more.

I still like the idea of trying to snag a player like Connolly + from TB more though. Someone with a higher upside that has the size and speed to do well in todays NHL.

They need to add picks though this year. This may be one of the only times in the coming years where the Rangers can conceivably add some high end picks by moving players out. They haven't done this in a long time.
I'd probably warm up to the idea of getting Folgino so I shouldn't have been so dismissive at first glance. He's still young so he has upside, and does have a unique skill set.

I agree with you though, I'd rather swing for the fences a bit regarding who they might be able to get, and a guy like Connolly would fit that perfectly.

Curious if they'd consider D in a trade too. Kulikov has been MDZ-lite to this point, but the upside is there, as well as FLA's owner's desire to make a splash.

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Would have to think that the Rangers want a good center in return for Callahan given that all of the centers except for Stepan could be gone by end of the summer. Thats a tough trade to make. Gotta think theyll bring back Brassard if they are planning on buying out Richards. Those deals are probably tied together.

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01-29-2014, 12:15 PM
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What's the Rangers stance on some of the lesser group IIIs such as Boyle and Moore? They could deal one or both. Dorsett will be back soon. He could replace one of them on the 4th line with Carcillo. Boyle would probably bring back a greater return.
No. Bardof has informed us that Moore would bring back a greater return.

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There is so much uncertainty with the future of this team. So many moving parts. Is this person staying or going? Will so and so sign? Will Richards be bought out? RFAs? Its making my head hurt.

And thats on top of the Cally and Girardi situation.

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It's all moot anyways, Buffalo won't be adding at the deadline.
It would be adding their future captain. They had great success with Drury as their captain. Ott will likely go. Callahan could actually prefer Buffalo, and trading for him now would give them exclusive rights to him before free agency. They could lock him up without him ever testing the market. For 7 years of their future captain they would be giving up another rental, a 3rd line player, and a 2nd round pick. Not bad.

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It would be adding their future captain. They had great success with Drury as their captain. Ott will likely go. Callahan could actually prefer Buffalo, and trading for him now would give them exclusive rights to him before free agency. They could lock him up without him ever testing the market. For 7 years of their future captain they would be giving up another rental, a 3rd line player, and a 2nd round pick. Not bad.
A rebuilding team isn't giving up young assets for a guy who will be available for just a contract in July.

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There is so much uncertainty with the future of this team. So many moving parts. Is this person staying or going? Will so and so sign? Will Richards be bought out? RFAs? Its making my head hurt.

And thats on top of the Cally and Girardi situation.
I think the first domino should be Girardi. He's the toughest to replace. Making a decision on him gives you more clarity on your budget for the offseason and what holes you'll have to fill.

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A rebuilding team isn't giving up young assets for a guy who will be available for just a contract in July.

They do in Be A GM mode ... why not in real life?

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A rebuilding team isn't giving up young assets for a guy who will be available for just a contract in July.
Because he may find that demand for his services is abundant and choose to take a comparable offer to play on a better team.

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A rebuilding team isn't giving up young assets for a guy who will be available for just a contract in July.
Exactly this. If the Rangers were last to, or close to last in the league, would you want them to trade away young assets for a 28 year old? Of course not.

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Regarding Marc Staal. Assume he really is returning to the form of his life, I think the Rangers should seriously look into trading him this summer. Especially since I think this whole, he's just leaving for Carolina in a season anyway is not only way overblown, I seriously doubt it's on his agenda.

Which matters more to him, at this time? Playing with his brothers or hoisting the Stanley Cup? The answer should (better) be obvious. Furthermore, if you ask any member of his family what they would advise, I believe strongly every single one of them would say winning the Cup is the only option to pursue. What's his parents going to say? But, our dream is for all our boys to play together? Or, we want to see each of your names on the Stanley Cup? Folks, please. 2 out of 4 so far.

As for winning the Cup in Carolina? That ain't happening anytime soon, if at all again. I mean, look at the Staal trade. Who would you rather have? Jordan, or Sutter, Pouliot and Dumoulin. Carolina seriously got hosed in that deal. Jordan has 11/14 in 53 games, Sutter has 9/9 in 53. Does that outcome give a player confidence that Carolina is heading in the right direction? That they can add more and more value to the system? If I'm right, and Carolina is still a middling team, I imagine when the Staal brothers' contracts run out, they'll be hankering to skate the Cup again and they'll be moving on to do it.

The Rangers have McD as the clear 1st choice shut down d man. They have many holes at the top of the depth charts. We all know what they are. Moving Staal and say, Hagelin? What would you want to get back? And then there's Conor Allen, who looked really sharp for a guy with zero experience. Maybe he's nothing but to improve the Rangers are going to have to gamble. We all (should) know that.

2 teams who may be very interested in Staal this summer, esp. if they don't win the Cup this year, could be Colorado and Anaheim. Staal, assuming he has winning the Cup as his only priority (it had better be), would have to accept a long term deal from either, and I don't believe he would rule either out from the get go. If he were to accept a 7 year deal from Carolina because they are willing to pay alot, how many years on the back end will he not be playing with one or both brothers? Or, do you suppose that if Carolina isn't progressing, the bros will just say, eff it, I got my ring, I want to play out the string with my little bro? Furthermore, if Marc won it all with Ana or Col, there'd still be plenty of time to get on a team with the bros.

What would you want from Anaheim for Staal and Hagelin? Top 9 forward, their best prospect, a goalie and a 1? From Colorado? O'Reilly, Barrie 2 1s? (obviously just speculating on returns, as a starting point.) Who wouldn't want Colorado's #1 next season?

And, you know who else would probably really be intrigued by a move out west? Mrs. Marc Staal. I lived in Los Angeles for 2 yrs, I have no doubt it would appeal to pretty much any wealthy young mom. More than Raleigh, I imagine without reservation. I've also spent some time in Denver and parts surrounding. Again, it's an extremely appealing locale.

So, that's my take.

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01-29-2014, 12:29 PM
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As for Callahan, I say absolutely trade him before the windows have closed. These owners let Messier walk so there's precedence.

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Because he may find that demand for his services is abundant and choose to take a comparable offer to play on a better team.
He still will most likely do that.

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No. Bardof has informed us that Moore would bring back a greater return.
That is my opinion. No need to be a dick about it.

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That is my opinion. No need to be a dick about it.
It's very possible. I would shop both and see who you can get more for and go that direction.

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As for Callahan, I say absolutely trade him before the windows have closed. These owners let Messier walk so there's precedence.
Question is what window? Before Next Friday or the week after the Olympics.

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Question is what window? Before Next Friday or the week after the Olympics.
Next Friday. Give more time to the new guys coming in to gel with the team.

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I think it would be wise for the Rangers to keep Moore and Boyle. Not necessarily re-sign them both, but if they're moving Callahan, they won't have much to absorb the missing PK time.

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What's the Rangers stance on some of the lesser group IIIs such as Boyle and Moore? They could deal one or both. Dorsett will be back soon. He could replace one of them on the 4th line with Carcillo. Boyle would probably bring back a greater return.
Trade both, bring up a mash to finish the year off at 4C then sign Johnny Malkin to a reasonable deal

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Question is what window? Before Next Friday or the week after the Olympics.
If I were the Rangers and had Callahan going to the Olympics, I would try and move him before them. Make your best offer, if he declines, move him. Unfortunately, I am sure teams will want to wait until afterwards to make sure he is healthy.

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Trade both, bring up a mash to finish the year off at 4C then sign Johnny Malkin to a reasonable deal
Bring up a Mash?

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I think it would be wise for the Rangers to keep Moore and Boyle. Not necessarily re-sign them both, but if they're moving Callahan, they won't have much to absorb the missing PK time.
Hagelin
Boyle/Moore
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