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01-29-2014, 01:43 PM
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I think it would be wise for the Rangers to keep Moore and Boyle. Not necessarily re-sign them both, but if they're moving Callahan, they won't have much to absorb the missing PK time.
Trading Moore will likely mean bringing up Powe. That's the trade-off. At least Moore can score.

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01-29-2014, 01:45 PM
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FWIW Ashley Scharge just said on the extra point the rangers are getting closer to a deal with Callahan.

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Trading Moore will likely mean bringing up Powe. That's the trade-off. At least Moore can score.


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OK. You're still taking out 2 of your top 4 penalty killers.

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01-29-2014, 01:54 PM
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Hmmm...Bobby Mac or Ashley Scharge (????)...whom do I have more faith in?

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didnt we trade mashinter for beach?

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01-29-2014, 01:56 PM
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didnt we trade mashinter for beach?
Yes, he is gone.

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OK. You're still taking out 2 of your top 4 penalty killers.
Agree, but more opportunity for someone else. Maybe they decide to bring up Lindberg and he PK's. Or Fast. Maybe the young player they get back can PK.

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01-29-2014, 02:22 PM
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The Blueshirts, who have been regularly scouting the Avalanche, are believed to be interested in 25-year-old winger Jamie McGinn, a source reports. The 6-1, 210-pounder, who has been promoted to a line with Ryan O’Reilly and Matt Duchene after previously skating with Max Talbot and John Mitchell, has 19 points (12-7) in 49 games, averaging 15:08 per.
http://nypost.com/2014/01/29/rangers...t-talks-stall/

I could see the Rangers going for McGinn if they're sure they want to trade Callahan.

I'd rather Barrie, though.

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01-29-2014, 02:24 PM
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I could see the Rangers going for McGinn if they're sure they want to trade Callahan.

I'd rather Barrie, though.
I don't think it would be Callahan for only McGinn though. It sounds like the Rangers wanted the Colorado 1st before. I am sure they would ask for that + McGinn +

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01-29-2014, 02:26 PM
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Rangers probably using Dan Hamhuis as Girardi comparable and he makes $4.5 mil on average. Both about 30 pt def D-men.
This make sense, except for the Wideman, JBo, Phaneuf contracts...

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01-29-2014, 02:28 PM
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Would you, or anyone else be upset with:

5.3/yr for 7 yrs - Girardi
5.5/yr for 7 yrs - Callahan.

Just wondering.
Both of these seem realistic (Cally maybe even a bit low), and I want nothing to do with either contract. I love Girardi and Cally. Two of the gutsiest Rangers of all time. But we're in a cap era, they're (probably) on the downside, and those two contracts would barely pay for themselves if they were in peak form, let alone now. As we learned, over and over again, by paying big bucks for Free Agents this age, these are almost always horrible contracts. Just because these two happen to be resignings instead of Free Agency, isn't going to change anything. With a slight break in my heart, I trade them both by the deadline.

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I get the Hamhuis comparison, but given the rise in the salary cap, you have to think percentage of the cap at the time of the deal will be the issue here. Sucks for guys that got locked in the past few years, but comparable UFA's salaries will rise relative to salary cap inflation.

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Girardi's agent should lean on all star appearance, TOI stats, blocked shots for leverage over a guy like Hamhuis.

Torts lobbying Girardi into the ASG might bite us.

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I don't think it would be Callahan for only McGinn though. It sounds like the Rangers wanted the Colorado 1st before. I am sure they would ask for that + McGinn +
I wasn't suggesting they trade Callahan for McGinn, I was suggesting that they go after McGinn as a replacement, if Callahan is traded.

(This isn't what I want to do, but I see Sather doing it.)

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I don't think it would be Callahan for only McGinn though. It sounds like the Rangers wanted the Colorado 1st before. I am sure they would ask for that + McGinn +
McGinn would be a good replacement for Callahan. High energy forward who can hit and play either wing. Will probably cost about half of what Callahan wants to re-sign at the end of the year.

McGinn and Barrie would be a pretty impressive return for a pending UFA.

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McGinn would be a good replacement for Callahan. High energy forward who can hit and play either wing. Will probably cost about half of what Callahan wants to re-sign at the end of the year.

McGinn and Barrie would be a pretty impressive return for a pending UFA.
I agree. I would be happy with that. If they get Barrie, that allows for them to move Stralman or Girardi more easily, no?

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McGinn would be a good replacement for Callahan. High energy forward who can hit and play either wing. Will probably cost about half of what Callahan wants to re-sign at the end of the year.

McGinn and Barrie would be a pretty impressive return for a pending UFA.
Would love that return. Gives us a RHD who's great with the puck, and a younger Callahan with middle 6 potential. Gives us more size too.

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I agree. I would be happy with that. If they get Barrie, that allows for them to move Stralman or Girardi more easily, no?
Stralman, yeah, but not Girardi, IMO. I stand what I said before that I think the Rangers will let Callahan go, but will retain Girardi and move Stralman instead. We replaced Stralman with Klein. Add Barrie who can get top-4 minutes in his place.

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Barrie
Moore - Klein

Rotate Barrie and Klein as necessary, or even call up Allen if Barrie is not acquired. Rangers need a PP QB though.

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This make sense, except for the Wideman, JBo, Phaneuf contracts...
Those guys all generally put up more points than Girardi, though

e: I think some of you guys are expecting more moves than will actually be made. Odds are the Rangers aren't going to trade 3 major roster players during the season or something

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Would love that return. Gives us a RHD who's great with the puck, and a younger Callahan with middle 6 potential. Gives us more size too.
I would too, but I mentioned that also knowing we'd likely never get that return. I think perhaps Elliot instead of Barrie would be closer to the ballpark.

Still, that all begs the question, why would the Avs do it? Do they really need the upgrade over McGinn?

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Stralman, yeah, but not Girardi, IMO. I stand what I said before that I think the Rangers will let Callahan go, but will retain Girardi and move Stralman instead. We replaced Stralman with Klein. Add Barrie who can get top-4 minutes in his place.

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Barrie
Moore - Klein

Rotate Barrie and Klein as necessary, or even call up Allen if Barrie is not acquired. Rangers need a PP QB though.
I agree with everything you wrote, but I'm not sure Colorado moves both of those players for a rental. Maybe 1 and then their 1st.

I'd like to hold onto Girardi but if they feel McIlrath and Allen are close to NHL ready, do they want to lock down the entire right side for the foreseeable future or try and get another piece to fit elsewhere or further down the line?

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In that article by Brooks,he has some info on Callahan and Girardi

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Negotiations with first-pair right defenseman Dan Girardi, also a pending unrestricted free agent, also have hit a road block. Girardi, who likely would yield a bigger bounty on the rental market than Callahan, is believed to be seeking a six-year deal in the neighborhood of $5.5 million per season, which represents fair market value. Sather is believed to have countered with a relatively low-ball offer of four years at approximately $4.75 million per.
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Negotiations regarding an extension are at a standstill, if not an impasse, with Callahan believed seeking a deal in the neighborhood of seven years at $42 million that is not in the same ballpark as general manager Glen Sather is willing to pay; not even a ballpark as expansive as Yankee Stadium, where the Rangers and Islanders will meet on Wednesday.
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Hagelin
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Dorsett (when back)
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Nash PK's
Maybe give Lindberg and/or Fast a try too

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I wasn't suggesting they trade Callahan for McGinn, I was suggesting that they go after McGinn as a replacement, if Callahan is traded.

(This isn't what I want to do, but I see Sather doing it.)
One of the reasons moving Cally makes so much sense is that they have 3 guys ready, or close to ready, right now who can step in and play 3rd line RW. This is exactly how you're SUPPOSED to use your farm system - to have guys ready to step up and take over when a vet retires/prices himself out/gets injured. When they move him, they should be looking to bring back a) close to ready prospects at positions of need and/or b) longer term assets (recently drafted guys or picks) at any position. If an NHL-ready RW is coming back as a key piece, I don't think we'll be maximizing the utility of the trade. (Unless the plan is then to trade at least one of Kristo/Fast/Miller in another deal.). I would REALLY hope that they can use this opportunity to acquire one or both of a high end center prospect or a high end PMD prospect.

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Seems more and more likely the Rangers think they can get Girardi under contract and will trade Callahan.

The Rangers scouted Avs games 11 times since the start of the season. Something brewing there for sure.

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In that article by Brooks,he has some info on Callahan and Girardi





http://nypost.com/2014/01/29/rangers...t-talks-stall/
That gives me a lot of hope for a reasonable deal with Girardi. I'd be tempted to sign his requested deal, looks like Sather might whittle it down a bit.

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