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01-30-2014, 01:19 PM
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iIf Buffalo is a potential suitor for Callahan, I would think Grigorenko would be coming back. I believe the Rangers tried to move up to get him in the 2012 draft.

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01-30-2014, 01:20 PM
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No he wouldn't. Have you seen him play recently?
Yeah I have. He's pretty much holding together an AHL blueline for the 2nd consecutive season. He's one season removed from being the top PP producer amongst all defenseman sans Markov-Subban. Not to mention acquiring the #1 dman will hurt a rival team. Injuries are a concern, but I don't see the risk in a 1 year deal.

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I'd love to add Grigorenko but I still doubt the Sabres are buyers
Only way we get Grigorenko is if he gets wind of us trying to trade for him and he so desperately wants to come here that he starts to threaten KHL.

Grigorenko would be heaven though. Finally, a true #1C prospect who'd probably feel more at home in the bright lights of NYC then the grey skies of Buffalo. Buffalo would live through it as well, as they'll have Girgensons and probably Reinhart or Bennett as their top 2 Centres of the future.

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01-30-2014, 01:26 PM
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Edmonton arguably the worst location in the league. Panthers close, for way different reasons, obviously. Maybe this factors into why both teams always suck. Buffalo location is wonderful. That travel schedule. Trading for Callahan maybe makes Miller want to stay. Buffalo and Callahan will know where Miller stands before any deals come down.

Best bet, to me...when something finally happens, we will all say, didn't see that coming. And it will be something big.

Rangers will have no qualms about trading Callahan. Intangibles won't be the reason why they won't. They let Messier walk. If he goes Nash will be the Captain, unless they get somebody this summer like Shea Weber. That guy is in no way off limits. Imho, obviously.

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Yup... cups trump everything
Quick doesn't trump Henke any more than Brown does Cally. Both are even swaps straight across.

There's a reason why the US Olympic committee chose both Cally and Brown to be part of the 5 man leadership group. Considering Backes and Parise are the other two forwards, that's pretty elite company. Notable players not chosen for that group are Kane, Kessel, Kesler, and MaxPac.

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01-30-2014, 01:29 PM
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Yeah I have. He's pretty much holding together an AHL blueline for the 2nd consecutive season. He's one season removed from being the top PP producer amongst all defenseman sans Markov-Subban. Not to mention acquiring the #1 dman will hurt a rival team. Injuries are a concern, but I don't see the risk in a 1 year deal.
He can't keep up with the play any longer in the same way Markov is having issues in Montreal.

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6/5.3 for G? If they can get that, I am fine with it. Nice discount, too. He'd get 6+ on the open market.

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Not so much about them being buyers as it is getting out ahead of the FA madness for a player they really want. If they move Moulson and Ott at the deadline and add Callahan, I don't think that'll play them out of the 1st overall pick.
Not playing out but why give up the assets? They are rebuilding.

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He can't keep up with the play any longer in the same way Markov is having issues in Montreal.
This is simply not true. He's still the Flyers best defenseman. The only thing he can't keep up with are his injuries, but when he's healthy, he's still a good defender.

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Quick doesn't trump Henke any more than Brown does Cally. Both are even swaps straight across.

There's a reason why the US Olympic committee chose both Cally and Brown to be part of the 5 man leadership group. Considering Backes and Parise are the other two forwards, that's pretty elite company. Notable players not chosen for that group are Kane, Kessel, Kesler, and MaxPac.
I don't consider Quick and Lundqvist equal. Quick's had 1 elite season to his name while Lundqvist has many to his track record.

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Not playing out but why give up the assets? They are rebuilding.
Callahan being a local kid changes a lot, IMO. They'd add Callahan even if they are sellers.

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01-30-2014, 01:32 PM
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6/5.3 for G? If they can get that, I am fine with it. Nice discount, too. He'd get 6+ on the open market.
Agree.


I wonder if the Jets would be open to moving Burmistrov.

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This is simply not true. He's still the Flyers best defenseman. The only thing he can't keep up with are his injuries, but when he's healthy, he's still a good defender.
Sorry I live 1 hour from Philly, he isn't very good anymore

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Callahan being a local kid changes a lot, IMO. They'd add Callahan even if they are sellers.
Maybe, but I highly doubt they move assets for a pending UFA

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Great rebuttal.

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Great rebuttal.
I get to watch him play regularly. Did I need to spell that out for you...

Apparently.

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I get to watch him play regularly. Did I need to spell that out for you...

Apparently.
Yeah, I don't see how anyone can claim he is anything more than an average 2nd pairing defenseman now. Maybe even a good 3rd pairing guy.

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I get to watch him play regularly. Did I need to spell that out for you...

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Yeah, but it's the 21st century. Tons of NHL fans can stream games.

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Only way we get Grigorenko is if he gets wind of us trying to trade for him and he so desperately wants to come here that he starts to threaten KHL.

Grigorenko would be heaven though. Finally, a true #1C prospect who'd probably feel more at home in the bright lights of NYC then the grey skies of Buffalo. Buffalo would live through it as well, as they'll have Girgensons and probably Reinhart or Bennett as their top 2 Centres of the future.
If Grigs becomes a legit #1 pivot I'll eat my shoe. More like a much maligned #2C that always leaves you wanting more because he puts in half the effort, is in his future. A lot more Grabovski then Datsyuk in this one.

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Also, being the Flyers best defenseman is like being the brightest kid in special ed.

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Soo, just wondering.

Is anybody in this board on board with resigning Pouliot?
Pouiot is exactly what he has been throughout his career

close to 15 goals and 15 assists for 30 point player.

give him a 2 year deal at 1.5 per and call it a day.

if he's looking for number that starts with a 2. I wish you well with your new team.

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I like Poo. I'm with pld and Raspewtin.

2 @ 1.5 is a nice deal for him.

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Yeah, I don't see how anyone can claim he is anything more than an average 2nd pairing defenseman now. Maybe even a good 3rd pairing guy.
He is a #4/5 this year and slowing down fast.

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Yeah, but it's the 21st century. Tons of NHL fans can stream games.
Can and do are 2 totally different things

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I like Poo. I'm with pld and Raspewtin.

2 @ 1.5 is a nice deal for him.
I'd try to stick to 1 year but 2 is okay

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In a perfect world the Rangers and Girardi would agree verbally on the terms of a new contract and then trade him as a rental to a contender only to have him re-sign with NYR on July 1st. : )

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Yeah.... This is from the top Flyers blog on the internet, I'll just leave it here here. You know, 'real fans' who actually watch the game.

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The Kimmo effect

Kimmo Timonen was called many names at the start of the season -- old man, pylon, and most damning of all, finished. While strong play in November and December staved off the obituary writers temporarily, there is still a growing consensus that Timonen is playing his final NHL season.

Yet there are two skills that Timonen has retained -- his ability to drive play, and his ability to elevate the performance of his defensive partner.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...season-2013-14

Coburn was brutal last season paired with Grossman. Schenn was great last year paired with Timonen. Now Coburn is great with Timonen and Schenn is looking like a bottom pair guy without Timonen.

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Yeah.... This is from the top Flyers blog on the internet, I'll just leave it here here. You know, 'real fans' who actually watch the game.



http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...season-2013-14

Coburn was brutal last season paired with Grossman. Schenn was great last year paired with Timonen. Now Coburn is great with Timonen and Schenn is looking like a bottom pair guy without Timonen.
He hasn't lost his smarts, but he has lost a couple of steps. Undersized and slow.

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He hasn't lost his smarts, but he has lost a couple of steps. Undersized and slow.
Yeah, but he doesn't suck and he isn't finished, far from that. In fact, he's still a very good defender in today's league. He's holding together an AHL defense once again. The Flyers would be truly awful without him.

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