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01-30-2014, 07:35 PM
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Yeesh!

So, back to the proposal, how about Cally and Miller/Lindberg for Galchenyuk (maybe MTL throws in a pick)? It's expensive, but I think I do it. Not all your prospects can play for you.
I'd do all three of them + a 1st for Galchenyuk.

I think he's a future 80-90 pt C with a nice blend of size and skill. Malkin-lite.

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Yeesh!

So, back to the proposal, how about Cally and Miller/Lindberg for Galchenyuk (maybe MTL throws in a pick)? It's expensive, but I think I do it. Not all your prospects can play for you.
I don't think they touch that.

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I wonder if the Bruins are interested in Stralman or Callahan.

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Boyle to Montreal. Just a gut feeling.
Makes sense. They like Americans and need help in the dot.

Okay, Nostradamus, what are we getting in return?

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I don't think they touch that.
I guess it comes down to how much is a Cally rental is worth and what you need to add to it.

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I'd do all three of them + a 1st for Galchenyuk.

I think he's a future 80-90 pt C with a nice blend of size and skill. Malkin-lite.
Wow. THAT is expensive. I might pony up Cally + one of Miller/Lindberg + another prospect.

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Makes sense. They like Americans and need help in the dot.

Okay, Nostradamus, what are we getting in return?
Thrower + pick

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I guess it comes down to how much is a Cally rental is worth and what you need to add to it.
Don't get me wrong, I would looove Galchenyuk for that package, but he's Montreal's future #1 center and he's 19. There's just no way. Even if Callahan agreed to sign there I don't see MTL touching that IMO.

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Don't get me wrong, I would looove Galchenyuk for that package, but he's Montreal's future #1 center and he's 19. There's just no way. Even if Callahan agreed to sign there I don't see MTL touching that IMO.
Which is of course why I want him.

Callahan + Lindberg + McIlrath for Galchenyuk and a 3rd.

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Which is of course why I want him.

Callahan + Lindberg + McIlrath for Galchenyuk and a 3rd.
I must have missed Montreal rehiring Bob Gainey as GM.

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I dont know who and I dont know what it would cost but I wouldn't put it past Sather to make a huge trade for a future #1 center, **** signing Stastny, move callahan for a 1st and use that first in a trade for a legitimate #1 center.

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Boyle to Montreal. Just a gut feeling.
I would be shocked.

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I would be shocked.
I wouldn't.

Looking for size? Check.
Chemistry with Prust to form a good 4th line? Check.
Their PK is already good, so Boyle wouldn't help them in that regard. But I think Boyle makes sense for them.

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I wouldn't.

Looking for size? Check.
Chemistry with Prust to form a good 4th line? Check.
Their PK is already good, so Boyle wouldn't help them in that regard. But I think Boyle makes sense for them.
Boyle isn't a tiny french canadian winger, silly.

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01-30-2014, 08:24 PM
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Boyle isn't a tiny french canadian winger, silly.
Well if that's the case, we should be phoning Montreal about MaxPac right now.

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Anyway we can turn Cally + Girardi into Landeskog?

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From the reports, let's assume Girardi will sign.

Regarding Callahan, it is a catch 22. I am no Sather supporter, but this is a very touchy subject and a tough position to be in. Callahan is a "heart and soul" player, if that counts as a legitimate thing, and leads by example on the ice. He is always contributing, either on the scoreboard or by doing what he can to shift each play in our favor. He sacrifices his body, he kills penalties at an elite level, he has his head on straight and understands what it takes to win and what it takes to be a professional athlete in New York City.

Some may not subscribe to those "intangibles", but the more players that are shipped out that possess those qualities, the more you continue to strip away your identiy. It would take quite some time to find a suitable replacement that will do the things he does and brings the same never-quit mentality.

On the flip side there is a business.

Personally, i feel using emotion and business when making these decisions is not wise. Rather, what is a good hockey decision. What decision makes the team better. Not the product, not the entertainment, not what sells more tickets, not what makes fans or management happy. What is the smart hockey decision. Take into consideration chemistry, identity, longevity, and function within the limits of the salary cap.

We can see this is a touchy and polarizing subject. Unfortunately, no matter what happens, there will be unhappy people. We can just hope that management makes a smart decision based not on what business or emotion dictates, but what is best for the team and what makes the team better moving forward.

If he is traded, personally i hope there are certain personality and player types that are avoided. Avoid enigmatic players that are all skill and dont possess the right mentality. That means no high-risk players such as Yakupov. No KHL risks. No players with prior serious injuries, specifically head injuries. Make sure the main piece coming back is a young player that has leadership qualities, has won in his career (NCAA Title, Memorial Cup, etc), fills a specific role (top 6 center, scorer, power forward, etc), has their head on straight, work ethic on and off the ice. The return doesn't need to be a #1 pick or a former #1 pick, but a player they specifically target who fills a specific role, who exemplifies the identity they want to instill. Be it a forward or defenseman (preferably a center).

You simply can not trade Callahan because of cap implications, for what ever return presents its self. If the return isn't there, then figure out a way to make the cap work. This isn't Del Zotto we are discussing. Del Zotto SHOULD have returned something more than Kevin Klein, a 29 year old "solid" borderline top 5 defenseman with no upside. Yes he fills a role, yes he is signed to a manageable contract. Fact is Sather waited until the coaching staff completely evaporated his trade value.

Which brings us to the root of the problem. 70+ year old Sather. It begins and ends with (James Dolan, really) Glen Sather. If he can't figure out a way to either A- sign Callahan and manage the cap in such a way that he can further improve the team, or B- get a cornerstone piece in return for Callahan, then Sather needs to be fired on the spot. And not just from the GM position, but as President, as well. He has had his grubby fingers on this organization for 14 years and he has gotten it nowhere. His time has come and gone a long time ago.

So, what is the right move, here? Its a profound situation, and there is no easy decision.

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Anyway we can turn Cally + Girardi into Landeskog?
No. You start with McD.

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I wish these 2 situations would be played out already, it's such a drain on us fans, 2 blood and guts guys, long history here, it absolutely can be emotional for us fans. I can only imagine what it's like for the players themselves.

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I wouldn't.

Looking for size? Check.
Chemistry with Prust to form a good 4th line? Check.
Their PK is already good, so Boyle wouldn't help them in that regard. But I think Boyle makes sense for them.
Let me clarify what I would be shocked about.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Canadiens traded for Boyle, I'd be shocked if the Rangers traded him. If that makes sense.

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Let me clarify what I would be shocked about.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Canadiens traded for Boyle, I'd be shocked if the Rangers traded him. If that makes sense.
It absolutely does not.

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CHI
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Jeremy Morin
Garret Ross

NSH
Ryan Ellis
Austin Watson
Zach Budish

DET
Ryan Sproul
Riley Sheahan
Landon Ferraro

BUF
Zemgus Girgensons
Marcus Foligno
Tyler Myers

ANA
Sami Vatanen
Emerson Etem
Kyle Palmieri

MIN
Charlie Coyle
Mathew Dumba
Jason Zucker

FLA
Nick Bjugstad
Drew Shore
Vincent Trocheck

OTT
Mika Zibanejad
Jared Cowen
Cole Schneider

LAK
Tyler Toffoli
Linden Vey
Tanner Pearson

SJS
Matthew Nieto
Matt Tennyson
Tommy Wingles

If we can't get a substantial return for a package including Callahan, then is it worth it to simply make him a cap casualty.


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CHI
Adam Clendening
Jeremy Morin
Garret Ross

NSH
Ryan Ellis
Austin Watson
Zach Budish

DET
Ryan Sproul
Riley Sheahan
Landon Ferraro

BUF
Zemgus Girgensons
Marcus Foligno
Tyler Myers

ANA
Sami Vatanen
Emerson Etem
Kyle Palmieri

MIN
Charlie Coyle
Mathew Dumba
Jason Zucker

FLA
Nick Bjugstad
Drew Shore
Vincent Trocheck

OTT
Mika Zibanejad
Jared Cowen
Cole Schneider

LAK
Tyler Toffoli
Linden Vey
Tanner Pearson

If we can't get a substantial return for a package including Callahan, then is it worth it to simply make him a cap casualty.
What is Callahan's true value in a trade without a contract?

My guess - Cally resigns in NY for a "reasonable sum".

I believe that he is relatively happy in NYC and the Rangers would have a difficult time replacing his grit, while managing Richards in a buyout (?), and obtaining a first line center. I believe the Rangers will get some kind of home team discount as it might make sense for both sides to settle. If true, then all the trade talk is to moderate the expectation of the Cally camp as to what they can expect from the Rangers.

Not a highly confident call, but just my current thinking.

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