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01-30-2014, 03:56 PM
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Not sure what you mean. The rules are fine, you shouldn't be allowed to replace the entire roster days before the event, let alone mid-tournament. No rule will prevent forfeits. I guess all you can do is penalize the offenders after the fact and suspend them for the next Olympics.
Sure, the rules are there for a reason. But I still think that in this hypotethical situation the IOC would bend over backwards to somehow contain the damage.

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01-30-2014, 04:18 PM
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Why isn't khl considered pro like the nhl
It is... this isn't "pros vs. amateurs"... it's what happens if the NHL opts to keep its players out of Sochi for some crazy security reasons. I went with the assumption that KHL players are close enough (well, if not geographically, at least in terms of having all the requisite paperwork by playing in the KHL), and presumably the IOC wouldn't want to just cancel events and totally rip off their ticket buyers that way, and would still go ahead with something instead of just DQ'ing some teams.

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01-30-2014, 08:23 PM
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Olympic rosters without NHL players...

I was reading something earlier today about the NHL possibly not participating in the 2018 Olympics and it got me thinking, what would the US and Canada's rosters look like without NHL players on them? (Assuming Russia is full of KHLers) Would they go with collegiate or junior players? Or North American players from European leagues?

EDIT: What would a complete roster for either US or Canada look like?

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01-30-2014, 08:27 PM
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Like a Spengler Cup roster? World jr team?

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01-31-2014, 01:03 AM
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Like a Spengler Cup roster? World jr team?
More like the Spengler Cup team, but with all the best Canadian internationals like Nigel Dawes, Colby Armstrong would probably be there, Dustin Boyd too.

I assume CHL players would be eligible too, though the only guys I can see garnering some attention would be: Drouin, Mantha, Reinhart.

Actually I think Drouin at the least would be a lock

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01-31-2014, 02:27 AM
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Russia would be a heavy favorite, Sweden would be strong, Canada would also be good. Not so sure about the US. They'd probably send a very AHL heavy team.

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01-31-2014, 02:31 AM
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On a side note, is there any precedent for Canada bringing a player to the World Championship who plays in a European League at the time?

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01-31-2014, 02:45 AM
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The term "pro hockey player" is not used the same way anymore, most people know this and what it stands for.
I bet 95 % of the SHL players are pro. Meaning the make their living out of hockey, and most of them earn good money compared to "ordinary" workers. Those who aren't pros are on junior contracts,no?

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01-31-2014, 02:53 AM
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Well for Sweden...


Linus Klasen - Tony Martensson - Martin Thornberg
Par Arlbrant - William Karlsson - Simon Hjalmarsson
Joakim Lindstrom - Jimmie Ericsson - Oscar Moller
Fredrik Pettersson - Joel Lundqvist - Dick Axelsson


John Klingberg - Staffan Kronwall
Niclas Andersen - Niclas Burstrom
Tobias Viklund - Magnus Johansson


Henrik Karlsson
Mikael Tellqvist



AHL players?


Linus Omark - Johan Larsson - André Petersson
Mattias Tedenby - Anton Lander - Carl Klingberg
Rickard Rakell - Calle Jarnkrok - Max Friberg
Jesper Fasth - Joakim Nordstrom - Oscar Lindberg
John Persson - Johan Sundstrom - Patrik Cehlin
Mikael Samuelsson - Elias Lindholm - Filip Forsberg
Alexander Fallstrom - Victor Rask - Michael Schumacher
Sebastian Wannstrom - Sebastian Stalberg - Ludwig Blomstrand
Ludwig Karlsson - Mattias Lindstrom


Adam Almqvist - Klas Dahlbeck
Tim Erixon - Fredrik Cleasson
Philip Samuelsson - Peter Andersson
Henrik Tonmmernas - Viktor Svedberg
Oscar Klefbom - Petter Granberg
Alexander Urbom - Patrik Nemeth
Stefan Warg


Joakim Eriksson
Jacob Markstrom
Johan Gustavsson
Magnus Hellberg
Niklas Svedberg
Cristopher Nilstorp
Victor Fasth
Anders Nilsson


Also Gustav Nyqvist, Magnus Nygren, Adam Larsson, David Rundblad and Mika Zibanejad have played in AHL this season.

Damm, Sweden got so many and good players in AHL.
It's a sad thing there are so many. Imagine most of them played in The SHL. It would clearly be the second best league in the world again.

What kind of reasons could their be for NHL to not honor the contract?

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01-31-2014, 06:09 AM
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If all NHL players pulled out, would you guys even watch the games? I probably wouldn't, cause who even cares at that point? It'd just be a random european hockey tournament...

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01-31-2014, 06:14 AM
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EDIT: What would a complete roster for either US or Canada look like?
It all depends if players from the AHL with two-way contracts would be available. I'd put them together (since I've already done half of the job with that Canada's KHL roster) but that's a big thing. For example, USA doesn't really have a good goaltender playing in Europe.

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More like the Spengler Cup team, but with all the best Canadian internationals like Nigel Dawes, Colby Armstrong would probably be there, Dustin Boyd too.

Actually I think Drouin at the least would be a lock
Yeah, he would be. At the same time, Armstrong would never make it.

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On a side note, is there any precedent for Canada bringing a player to the World Championship who plays in a European League at the time?
Garnett last year, Mario Scalzo in 2011, Kwiatkowski in 2009. So yeah, there were few precedents. Garnett's and Scalzo's call-ups weren't really based on merit though.

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01-31-2014, 08:22 AM
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Not positionally accurate or based on much, with ample room for omissions and oversights since I don't really follow them, but... say... just go from the KHL...?

Wojetch Wolski - Kyle Wilson - Jonathan Cheechoo
Nigel Dawes - Dustin Boyd - Paul Szechuara
Charles Linglet - Geoff Platt - Randy Robitaille
Justin Azevedo - Stephen Dixon - Erik Christensen

Kevin Dallman - Chris Lee
Logan Pyett - Kurtis Foster
Nathan Oystrick - Shaun Heshka
Mark Katic - Ryan O'Byrne

Curtis Sanford
Mike Leighton
Michael Garnett

???
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Wolski - Wilson - Cheechoo
Azevedo - Boyd - Dawes
Szczechura - Robitaille - Pare
Hodgman - Brent - Platt

Lee - Heshka
Oystrick - Dallman
Sigalet - Commodore
Robinson - Sopel

Garnett
Brust
Sanford
Kevin Dallman competed Kazakhstan in Olympic Games Qualification so he would not be eligible for Canada.

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01-31-2014, 09:26 AM
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I bet 95 % of the SHL players are pro. Meaning the make their living out of hockey, and most of them earn good money compared to "ordinary" workers. Those who aren't pros are on junior contracts,no?
I guess none of our first language's are english, but just so we both can meet here, have you ever heard of the figure of speech "Tongue-in-cheek"?
In Sweden, which has a much longer hockey tradition than Norway obviousily, Börje Salming and his contemporary swedes in the NHL and WHA was seen as some kind of heroic aliens compared to the World Championship-playing "amateur" players we had back here. It is as much becouse of hockeys history as the individual players economic status that defines the expression "pro". The NHL is an anamoly, but still, they have all the power on their side so they remain in a class by themselves. They are in fact the pros, and we will just have to adjust to it.

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01-31-2014, 12:12 PM
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In Sweden, which has a much longer hockey tradition than Norway obviousily, Börje Salming and his contemporary swedes in the NHL and WHA was seen as some kind of heroic aliens compared to the World Championship-playing "amateur" players we had back here. It is as much becouse of hockeys history as the individual players economic status that defines the expression "pro". The NHL is an anamoly, but still, they have all the power on their side so they remain in a class by themselves. They are in fact the pros, and we will just have to adjust to it.
What people in Sweden used to call players in the 70s is irrelevant and completely outdated. The pros are every player playing with a pro contract, whether it is in the NHL, KHL, Extraliga and whatnot. That's what some people have to adjust to, whether they are in Sweden or in NA.

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01-31-2014, 01:21 PM
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What people in Sweden used to call players in the 70s is irrelevant and completely outdated. The pros are every player playing with a pro contract, whether it is in the NHL, KHL, Extraliga and whatnot. That's what some people have to adjust to, whether they are in Sweden or in NA.
Yeah what can i tell you buddy, i too have Aspergers so i can feel your great pain in this case. During te cold war, while might i add the Soviet Union called themselves amateurs, people grew up knowing that some players was usually out of reach for our "amateur" team at the WHC.
Nowadays, the NHL still keep players during the WHC, and it's the same NHL that decides on whether or not they will play in the Olympics or not. Please excuse people that they call these players "professionals", just like figure skaters are often going "pro" after the Olympics.

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During te cold war, while might i add the Soviet Union called themselves amateurs, people grew up knowing that some players was usually out of reach for our "amateur" team at the WHC.
Nowadays, the NHL still keep players during the WHC, and it's the same NHL that decides on whether or not they will play in the Olympics or not. Please excuse people that they call these players "professionals", just like figure skaters are often going "pro" after the Olympics.
Of course NHL players are professionals, I don't think anyone argued otherwise.

Players from other pro leagues are professionals all the same, and none of the above changes that. The notion that players "turn pro" when they leave a European league for the NHL has been outdated for more than 30 years.

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If all NHL players pulled out, would you guys even watch the games? I probably wouldn't, cause who even cares at that point? It'd just be a random european hockey tournament...
I care because being an Olympic champion is one of the greatest achievements in sports.
The fact that a regional league (even as important as the NHL) could even be contemplating to bar its players from participating, is sacrilegious.

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02-01-2014, 09:53 AM
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I care because being an Olympic champion is one of the greatest achievements in sports.
The fact that a regional league (even as important as the NHL) could even be contemplating to bar its players from participating, is sacrilegious.
It is not sacrilegious, it is protecting what is in their best interest.

Player safety is more important to the NHL than an international tournament they have no vested interest in.

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Why wouldn't Canada's 'plan B' be their Spengler Cup team?
Probably along with a few juniors

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There's plenty of Canadian hockey players outside the NHL that would love to represent their country at such an event. On top of that, there's gotta be some measure of national pride: if Canada would just not bother to show up, hockey-wise it would be a big stain on the reputation of that nation.
I also imagine there would be repercussions of some kind (maybe have Canada's teams not be able to participate in any international tournament at all levels, including juniors, for a quite some time).
Way back in the day the canadian hockey team pulled out for security reasons I believe. I think it was during one of the wars. The canadian army had their own team and they were like "ah hell naw" so they stepped in and won gold. Don't remember what year it was but I saw it on some documentary about hockey history.

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On a side note, is there any precedent for Canada bringing a player to the World Championship who plays in a European League at the time?
Rick Green played in 1990 while he was in the Italian league

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I guess all you can do is penalize the offenders after the fact and suspend them for the next Olympics.
The terrorists?

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I probably wouldn't even watch Olympic Hockey if they didn't send the NHL.

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The terrorists?
Teams and players who withdraw from the Olympics.

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