Changing coaches will have an impact, but I don't think it'll have the impact some believe.
At the end of the day the team still has to prove it can develop more talent from within and build an actual team.
You could put Jesus Christ behind the bench and it doesn't change the fact that we currently have Jason freakin Krong playing as our second line center.
The answer to the center problem is not in this organization.
It's not Cullen or Krog and it's not Immonen or Dubinsky.
It doesn't change a mediocre bunch of defenseman or no less than 6 bottom line forwards who can't be counted on to chip in even a point per a game between the lot of them.
The problems here are beyond the coach, they are the same as they've been for 10 years. It's all in the organizational approach.
I wonder if that has ever happened? Crazier things have taken place:
Patrick is famous for an incident which occurred during the Stanley Cup finals of 1928. At the age of 44, while serving as coach and general manager of the Rangers, Patrick inserted himself into a playoff game to play goal against the Montreal Maroons due to an eye injury to starting goaltender Lorne Chabot. Patrick allowed one goal in helping the Rangers to an overtime victory. The Rangers went on to win the Stanley Cup.
Changing coaches will have an impact, but I don't think it'll have the impact some believe.
At the end of the day the team still has to prove it can develop more talent from within and build an actual team.
You could put Jesus Christ behind the bench and it doesn't change the fact that we currently have Jason freakin Krong playing as our second line center.
The answer to the center problem is not in this organization.
It's not Cullen or Krog and it's not Immonen or Dubinsky.
It doesn't change a mediocre bunch of defenseman or no less than 6 bottom line forwards who can't be counted on to chip in even a point per a game between the lot of them.
The problems here are beyond the coach, they are the same as they've been for 10 years. It's all in the organizational approach.
Probably the most concise answer I've read regarding the problems this team/organization face. That's why I can laugh it off (to some degree) & just say "Meh, what do you expect? It's the Rangers..."
You could put Jesus Christ behind the bench and it doesn't change the fact that we currently have Jason freakin Krong playing as our second line center.
Though one could argue that he would annoit someone better than Krog to be the 2nd line center.
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The problems here are beyond the coach, they are the same as they've been for 10 years. It's all in the organizational approach.
I agree and disagree. The approach of the organization as a whole has been fairly poor. However, that was not what was preventing Renney from playing Betts or Hossa on the 4th line. Or benching Malik. Or trying some new strategy on a 5 on 3 PP. Or actually utilizing the last line change at home.
Yes, the approach has sucked, but Renney has made too many questionable decisions. And given his approach, and the fact that he has to leave the room before the final decision is made, I don't know just how much he wants to change the approach, given that the young players seem to only get a chance out of necessity.
Though one could argue that he would annoit someone better than Krog to be the 2nd line center.
Well they say the man turned water into wine, turning crap into gold might be another matter.
Personally I think all the options suck. Krog or Immonen, I mean it's painful for me to say that even Krog has looked better than Immonen did.
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I agree and disagree. The approach of the organization as a whole has been fairly poor. However, that was not what was preventing Renney from playing Betts or Hossa on the 4th line. Or benching Malik. Or trying some new strategy on a 5 on 3 PP. Or actually utilizing the last line change at home.
I think the bigger problem is that the team has too many damn 4th liners. I mean Hossa, Hollweg, Betts, Ward, Hall, Ortmeyer, etc. are all 4th line players.
To me the biggest problem right now continues to be scoring depth. Switching Malik for Pock or some other marginal defenseman doesn't change anything just like having a lineup with Pock, Lampman and Girardi didn't result in anything different.
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Yes, the approach has sucked, but Renney has made too many questionable decisions. And given his approach, and the fact that he has to leave the room before the final decision is made, I don't know just how much he wants to change the approach, given that the young players seem to only get a chance out of necessity.
We just disagree on the young players aspect.
I think Renney has made a lot of questionable decisions, but tonight's game, with different more HF-friendly names, looked like a lot of other games Renney has coached.
I think Girardi is getting his chance and making the most of it and was accordingly rewarded with PK time as well.
At the end of the day though switching Malik for Pock or Krog for Immonen does not change anything. It might make us feel a little better, it might look a little nicer but even the best coach is only going to make so much of a difference with WHO is currently on this team and the way it is built.
A very good coach, maybe has us slip into the 6th seed if everything falls right. Renney isn't a good coach so we accordingly sit out of the playoffs, but I really don't think even a great coach makes more than a pretty minor impact with this set of players.
Scotty Bowman doesn't have the sack to coach the Rangers.Scotty loves walking into the perfect situation.The only time Scotty failed was in Buffalo when they didn't already have one mega star after another on the roster.Scotty was also the GM in Buffalo and they couldn't wait to get rid of him.In 1989,Scotty was offered the Rangers GM job but he didn't feel he could succeed in New York.Made 10 million excuses about why he turned down the job.Montreal,Pittsburgh and Detroit were good teams before Scotty took them over
I think the bigger problem is that the team has too many damn 4th liners. I mean Hossa, Hollweg, Betts, Ward, Hall, Ortmeyer, etc. are all 4th line players.
That is definetly a problem and has been. One cannot consider themselves serious playoff contenders when every line, aside from the 1st, has at least 2 4th liners (or worse in the case of Orr or Krog) on it. Can't win many games when the 2/3rds of the forwards are 4th line players.
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We just disagree on the young players aspect.
On what aspect, Edge? My point is that Renney has zero confidence in any young player. The rope he gives them is an eighth of the length that one of these 4th liners that we have mentioned get. And who knows what kind of a standard someone like Malik may have.
I agree that having Pock, Girardi & Lampman in the lineup did not seem to make much of a difference last night. However, unlike Malik, these players have the potential to improve and get better. Malik is who he is at this point. So if in the short-term, the level of overall play stays the same, wouldn't it be better to continue to give the youngsters ice time becuase, unlike Malik, they WILL improve in the longer-term?
On the bright side, pretty soon we'll be able to resume our David Wright debate.
I know that Renney doesnt like Jarko, but as I see it, he is our best option for 2nd line center. I dont care if Shanahan doesnt like playing with him or Renney doesnt think he has NHL quickness.
