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01-31-2014, 08:04 PM
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We're going to have to agree, to disagree on this one. He isn't generating anything. Gus is the one that generated the scoring chance. I will give Vinny much credit for burying it, though. But he has not been burying enough to make-up for the rest of his game, which is lackluster.

Here are the Flyers bottom 3 forwards (with more than 20 games played this season) in Relative Corsi 5 on 5...

Lecavalier: -12.6
Hall: -15.6
Rinaldo: -18.4

... and the next guy on the list is B. Schenn at -6.2, which is about 2x better than Lecavalier. It shouldn't be shocking that B. Schenn is next worse, considering he is put on a line with Vinny so often.
Sometimes Corsi doesn't tell the whole story, as such as last night. But you're right Vinny is by far the Flyers worst forward not named Hall or Rinaldo that get consistent playing time. If you can dump him for a pick or prospect before it is too late and he becomes untradeable then you do it. He is awful 5 v 5 and basically 50% of his points are from PP. He is Danny B 2.0 and people need to realize it. He would be an addition by subtraction. The only way to get positive value from Vinny is him being the 4th line Center and letting him on the 2nd pp. He is paid as the 2nd highest forward this season (3rd next season with giroux bump) and he is the 10th best forward on the team. It is time to move on.

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Sometimes Corsi doesn't tell the whole story, as such as last night. But you're right Vinny is by far the Flyers worst forward not named Hall or Rinaldo that get consistent playing time. If you can dump him for a pick or prospect before it is too late and he becomes untradeable then you do it. He is awful 5 v 5 and basically 50% of his points are from PP. He is Danny B 2.0 and people need to realize it. He would be an addition by subtraction. The only way to get positive value from Vinny is him being the 4th line Center and letting him on the 2nd pp. He is paid as the 2nd highest forward this season (3rd next season with giroux bump) and he is the 10th best forward on the team. It is time to move on.
I've said Lecavalier looks like another Briere many times over. The comparison isn't perfect since Briere was more flexible and he didn't start out this badly here, but they're both bad contracts for multiple years (which is what Briere was when he was on his downturn here) and they both are horrible defensively and can't win face-offs or do anything outside of scoring really. They both also are aging and have some extent of injury trouble.

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01-31-2014, 09:22 PM
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The Lecavalier signing was mostly the Flyers wanting to make the biggest free agent splash over a shiny new name. He is going to be like a slightly better version of Knuble when his career took a big downward trend. The signing IMO was more PR and not thought out well.

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I just watched the highlight and yeah Giroux definitely slows down towards the end of the backcheck there even though he could have just put the pressure on at least.

Giroux has a tendency to do that lately it seems with slowing down his backchecks in situations like that. I have no idea why he does it, but it's irritating honestly.

Seeing where this team is at with it's center lineup I would actually be a big fan of Giroux switching to wing. It's where he played at times when Carter and Richards were here and Giroux doesn't have an especially strong defensive game or even a strong face-off ability so what is the reason to keep him at center really? Other then his name being Giroux?
Giroux's actually pretty reliable faceoff wise and our second best behind Hall and is actually above 50%. He's relatively clutch at the important draws as well. He's also second in total faceoffs behind Crosby, and 5th in faceoffs won. He's certainly better than Couts, Schenn and Vinny. That's the only drawback I see to moving him to wing, but hopefully Couts and Schenn continue to improve in that respect seeing as faceoff ability usually comes with age.

That being said, I'd still move him to wing and have him split faceoffs with Schenn, give Giroux the ones we need to win (defensive zone and when trailing) while giving Schenn the rest to help develop his ability.

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