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02-01-2014, 01:02 AM
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Best we've had since the CT 50 goal season, probably better.
How old was CT?

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Best we've had since the CT 50 goal season, probably better.
Easily better. Thomas had 99 points that season and unless The Duke just collapses the rest of the way, he'll have more. He's on pace for 118 points over 68 games right now.

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Another CHL player of the week award in the offing for the Duke?
Yeah 10 points in 2 games is a pretty good stat line when trying to get CHL Player of the Week.

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18, I believe.

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18, I believe.
So is it worrisome that he didn't end up doing much (though he still might) despite such great production. How do we know Duclair won't follow suit?

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So is it worrisome that he didn't end up doing much (though he still might) despite such great production. How do we know Duclair won't follow suit?
Of course it can be worrisome, but that is the case with most prospects. It is really difficult to say how they will end up. But Duclair is looking strong and is slotted for better production than CT, however, I guess we can only really hope for the best.
And who knows how CT will be in a few years? Only time will tell.

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A few months ago I saw a couple of Remparts games and watched Tony D play.

I said on this board that he is just a few pounds of physical maturity away from being in the NHL next year. This was before his contract signing. In my eyes he is the real deal. If he was a righty shot, I proclaim him a 25-30 goal scorer.

I was skeptical he was going to carry this pace, but he is too good for juniors now! Dominant player, and one that attacks the net in all sorts of ways.

Just a dynamic goal scorer, deflections, one timers, power play, in the slot, below the hash marks, odd man rushes, breakaways, he does it all.

Once people see him handle the puck at the speeds he skates in next preseason, he will be the shiniest toy in the bucket.

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A few months ago I saw a couple of Remparts games and watched Tony D play.

I said on this board that he is just a few pounds of physical maturity away from being in the NHL next year. This was before his contract signing. In my eyes he is the real deal. If he was a righty shot, I proclaim him a 25-30 goal scorer.

I was skeptical he was going to carry this pace, but he is too good for juniors now! Dominant player, and one that attacks the net in all sorts of ways.

Just a dynamic goal scorer, deflections, one timers, power play, in the slot, below the hash marks, odd man rushes, breakaways, he does it all.

Once people see him handle the puck at the speeds he skates in next preseason, he will be the shiniest toy in the bucket.
How is he defensively? Is he a one-dimensional liability? Or is he decent two way?

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So is it worrisome that he didn't end up doing much (though he still might) despite such great production. How do we know Duclair won't follow suit?

1. The Duke is 3 inches taller than Thomas, which makes a big difference. He's also significantly stronger. So many players fail because they are much smaller and we always say that if he were 2-3 inches taller, it would make a huge difference. Well, The Duke *is* 2-3 inches taller.

2. The Duke is producing significantly better offensively: 99 points vs. ~115 is a big difference. A lot of players get around 100 points, but very few get 115 points. Many of the offensive busts come tantalizingly close to being top-6 players (Prucha, Dawes), but don't make it by a small margin, only to spend the rest of the career in the AHL and more recently, the KHL. Being 15% better offensively can actually be significant.

3. The Duke is faster than Thomas. This makes a big difference for a smaller player.


While none of these gaps are huge, as I've said, the difference between a good offensive player who makes it and who doesn't is usually not huge. Give Dawes two more inches, a little more speed and 15% more offense, and he's a star NHLer instead of sitting in the KHL.

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A few months ago I saw a couple of Remparts games and watched Tony D play.

I said on this board that he is just a few pounds of physical maturity away from being in the NHL next year. This was before his contract signing. In my eyes he is the real deal. If he was a righty shot, I proclaim him a 25-30 goal scorer.

I was skeptical he was going to carry this pace, but he is too good for juniors now! Dominant player, and one that attacks the net in all sorts of ways.

Just a dynamic goal scorer, deflections, one timers, power play, in the slot, below the hash marks, odd man rushes, breakaways, he does it all.

Once people see him handle the puck at the speeds he skates in next preseason, he will be the shiniest toy in the bucket.
Why would whether he's righty or not affect his production?

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So is it worrisome that he didn't end up doing much (though he still might) despite such great production. How do we know Duclair won't follow suit?
No it isn't because Christian Thomas' failure to reach the NHL so far has absolutely nothing to do with if Duclair will.

Thomas was also really small, bad defensively, and a meh skater. Duclair doesn't have those problems.

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3 points? Against the best defense in the Q?

****ing bust. Trade him, hurry.

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Also, Skapski put on an absolute clinic for Kootenay last night. 30 saves on 31 shots for a 4-1 win against Prince Albert. The game was much closer than the score indicated. He got the 1st star of the game. Having a very good year on a very mediocre team.

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Duclair and Mantha are the very clear 1 and 2 in the scoring race of the Q, unless Jonathan Drouin were to play out of his mind the rest of the season. The closest behind Duclair's 85 points is Marcus Power, an overager who has 73 in 48 GP.

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Also, Skapski put on an absolute clinic for Kootenay last night. 30 saves on 31 shots for a 4-1 win against Prince Albert. The game was much closer than the score indicated. He got the 1st star of the game. Having a very good year on a very mediocre team.
I'm telling you guys, Skapski is a legitimate prospect. He's the only pkayer keeping Kootenay in the game most nights. I think after Montoya, Lafleur, Stajcer and the whole host of random AHL guys like Zaba and Wiikman, that people are just down on goalies in our system. Skapski is one to watch, for sure.

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Duclair and Mantha are the very clear 1 and 2 in the scoring race of the Q, unless Jonathan Drouin were to play out of his mind the rest of the season. The closest behind Duclair's 85 points is Marcus Power, an overager who has 73 in 48 GP.
Given that Duclair is playing out of his mind right now, I don't know that even that would help.

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I'm telling you guys, Skapski is a legitimate prospect. He's the only pkayer keeping Kootenay in the game most nights. I think after Montoya, Lafleur, Stajcer and the whole host of random AHL guys like Zaba and Wiikman, that people are just down on goalies in our system. Skapski is one to watch, for sure.
Watching this guy on Kootenay reminds me of watching Hank on the 2008-2009 team. Team that is piss poor to watch, being saved nightly by a stud goaltender.

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No it isn't because Christian Thomas' failure to reach the NHL so far has absolutely nothing to do with if Duclair will.

Thomas was also really small, bad defensively, and a meh skater. Duclair doesn't have those problems.
What? Thomas is an absolute star in the making. He's playing today.

Seriously, let Duclair writing his own story. Each prospect is different and each has his own path.

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What? Thomas is an absolute star in the making. He's playing today.

Seriously, let Duclair writing his own story. Each prospect is different and each has his own path.
It's a Rangers thing.

Every time we get a talented prospect it's "But Dawes" "MSC is a bust!" "Thomas isn't in the NHL!" "But Grachev is a bust!"

This fanbase will never have faith in a prospect, or give him credit, until he's a 30 goal scorer.

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Forgot to mention.

Duclair is the points leader among all CHL players born in 1995. Ahead of Drouin (though he's been injured), Bjorkstrand, Reinhart, Horvat, Lazar, Shinkaruk, etc.

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Throwing a wrinkle into the excitement. Remember, this is a factual presentation:


Samuel Noreau
Chris Doyle
Ryan Bourque
Antoine Lafleur
David Skokan
Ryan Hillier
Marc-Andre Cliche
Bruce Graham
Jonathan Paiement
Shawn Collymore
Petr Preucil
Randy Copley
Daniel Goneau
Christian Dube
Sylvain Blouin
Martin Ethier
David Brosseau
Kenneth MacDermid
Martin Bergeron
Eric Couvrette
Daniel Lacroix
Simon Gagne (the Bizzarro version)
Stephane Brochu
Andre Dore

37 Years since the Rangers drafted a kid developed in the QMJHL who developed into an NHL top-9/top-4 (really, top anything). Every modern era is represented (pre-expansion, 80s offense, clutch-and-grab, Dead Puck, and post lockout.

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Forgot to mention.

Duclair is the points leader among all CHL players born in 1995. Ahead of Drouin (though he's been injured), Bjorkstrand, Reinhart, Horvat, Lazar, Shinkaruk, etc.
Question is his hockey sense still considered "questionable"?

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Forgot to mention.

Duclair is the points leader among all CHL players born in 1995. Ahead of Drouin (though he's been injured), Bjorkstrand, Reinhart, Horvat, Lazar, Shinkaruk, etc.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say he would be picked top 10 this year if he'd been born a month later...

I find that I'm having to remind myself more and more frequently about Grachev in order to temper my expectations.

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Yeah, I think it's safe to say he would be picked top 10 this year if he'd been born a month later...

I find that I'm having to remind myself more and more frequently about Grachev in order to temper my expectations.
For sure. He'd be a first round pick easily. Probably top 10, too, like you stated.

In all honesty, I love taking guys who are barely draft eligible like Duclair. I think you can get some real bargains if they haven't developed physically compared to their peers, yet.

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Question is his hockey sense still considered "questionable"?
It's not a detriment, but it's not something to get excited over. His on ice vision is lacking, and he'd rather shoot (not that I'm complaining) than pass to an open teammate. Similar to Evander Kane.

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Yeah, I think it's safe to say he would be picked top 10 this year if he'd been born a month later...

I find that I'm having to remind myself more and more frequently about Grachev in order to temper my expectations.
Grachev was a bad skater and had two top 10 center picks as linemates .

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