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02-05-2007, 05:41 PM
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2nd line centre

do you think we'll get one now after aquiring avery?

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Just let Immonen do it...Geeze

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he is the 2nd line center

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he is the 2nd line center
God I hope not.

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I hope so. Cullen is better with Avery and Ortmeyer on the third line.
Can Hall and a 3rd get you Smolinski?

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I think getting Avery was a good move though I;m not too happy they gave up Cliche in the deal. But if Avery energizes this team and we get going maybe Sather will then make the move to get the 2nd line center we have been desperate for. I think Sather is waiting to see how this deal plays out before he officially decides whether the Rangers will stay buyers or become sellers at the deadline.

And I'm not too sold on Smolinski. Rather go and look into Jokinen first then go from there to maybe Brendan Morrison though I dont like him too much either. I think Forsberg would be the next best move after Jokinen.

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Personally I don't see Avery as the answer to the second line, I could however see him as a third line center.

I think the Rangers might be not be interested in paying certain prices for a center right now so in the meantime Cullen stays on the second line and Avery centers the third. At least that's what I'd do.

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02-05-2007, 08:24 PM
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Well,

Since Avery can play center and has 5 more points than Cullen, maybe he will center the second line.

My guess is

Straka Nylander Jagr
Shanahan Avery Prucha
Hollweg Cullen Hall
Hossa Betts Ortmeyer

I am kind of hoping for this.

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02-05-2007, 09:54 PM
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Well,

Since Avery can play center and has 5 more points than Cullen, maybe he will center the second line.

My guess is

Straka Nylander Jagr
Shanahan Avery Prucha
Hollweg Cullen Hall
Hossa Betts Ortmeyer

I am kind of hoping for this.

Just start Hollweg - Avery - Orr
and we'll cause an injury to every teams top players and hopefully we'll win that way! j/k!

has any team put 3 fighters/tough guys on the same line for an entire season?

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Just start Hollweg - Avery - Orr
and we'll cause an injury to every teams top players and hopefully we'll win that way! j/k!

has any team put 3 fighters/tough guys on the same line for an entire season?
The mention of that line just reminded me of the days of Brian Trottier. They were losing to the Blue Jackets with literally 3 seconds left with the puck at center ice. He sends MaCarthy, Oliwa, and Mckenna out for the faceoff. As expected, right off of the faceoff they start a fight with the whole Blue Jackets team. They all got fined and suspended. Ahh those were the days. When it was more fun to watch the Rangers lose.

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Well,

Since Avery can play center and has 5 more points than Cullen, maybe he will center the second line.

My guess is

Straka Nylander Jagr
Shanahan Avery Prucha
Hollweg Cullen Hall
Hossa Betts Ortmeyer

I am kind of hoping for this.

i see renney doing something similar to what u suggest but id rather see more balance

prucha-straka-jagr
hossa-nylander-shanahan
cullen-avery-ortmeyer
hollweg-betts-hall

4 lines we can roll and 3 that can score

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Long term I think either Cullen is going elsewhere or Avery-Cullen could be a pretty good third line next season.

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Long term I think either Cullen is going elsewhere or Avery-Cullen could be a pretty good third line next season.
I dont think the Rangers will be able to move Cullen due to his contract. He's here to stay...as is Aaron Ward.

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I think they could move him. His contract isn't that bad and if a team wants him for what he actually is (a third line player) I don't see it being a problem.

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I think they could move him. His contract isn't that bad and if a team wants him for what he actually is (a third line player) I don't see it being a problem.
Well, if they can indeed move him, the Rangers probably would be better off moving him. Use his spot on the third line for one of the kids that would be ready next year. It's not like this team will be anymore ready to compete next year then they were this year.

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The mention of that line just reminded me of the days of Brian Trottier. They were losing to the Blue Jackets with literally 3 seconds left with the puck at center ice. He sends MaCarthy, Oliwa, and Mckenna out for the faceoff. As expected, right off of the faceoff they start a fight with the whole Blue Jackets team. They all got fined and suspended. Ahh those were the days. When it was more fun to watch the Rangers lose.
haha i always think of that when everyone here *****es about tough guys on this team

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Can't help but think he might be shopped this offseason.

Having said that, a third line of Cullen-Avery-Callahan isn't half bad.

The real question will be if the Rangers can make a move for a young cornerstone forward.

I actually kind of like what this team might be able to do with their third line next season. Don't know if I have confidence in Renney to try it, but I like what I can do with it.

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Can't help but think he might be shopped this offseason.

Having said that, a third line of Cullen-Avery-Callahan isn't half bad.

The real question will be if the Rangers can make a move for a young cornerstone forward.

I actually kind of like what this team might be able to do with their third line next season. Don't know if I have confidence in Renney to try it, but I like what I can do with it.
Well atleast you have confidence in one of the 4 lines next year haha.

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He could be the answer...I don't know though....does he fill in an offensive role with Shanny...become a premier shutdown center for the club....or play a physical role on the 4th line with bangers....

At least it's good that he can do them all

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Hmm looking at the summer and next season a roster of:

Straka-Nylander-Jagr
Prucha-Drury-Shanahan
Avery-Cullen-Callahan
Hossa-Betts-Orts


Looks pretty decent to me.

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Personally I don't see Avery as the answer to the second line, I could however see him as a third line center.

I think the Rangers might be not be interested in paying certain prices for a center right now so in the meantime Cullen stays on the second line and Avery centers the third. At least that's what I'd do.
I see him as the same, but given the way he has improved, there is a slight chance he becomes a marginal 2nd line type..Either way, a Cullen or a Betts becomes expendable long term

Nevertheless, what does it mean for now?..I agree it's possible that this might be the only move FOR A CENTER this year, with a deal for a D_MAN more helpful...

As for the lines, I don't know...But getting the feeling we might see SHANNY-AVERY-HOSSA along with the COP line and Krog-Betts-Holly/Hall

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Hmm looking at the summer and next season a roster of:

Straka-Nylander-Jagr
Prucha-Drury-Shanahan
Avery-Cullen-Callahan
Hossa-Betts-Orts


Looks pretty decent to me.
The only problem is that Drury is almost certain to be overpaid, Nylander is probably going to ask for a raise, there is still no slow for Dawes to really fight for and I don't know if that leaves a lot of money to repair the defense.

I almost think the Rangers have to go out and trade for a younger, relatively cheaper player by moving some prospects.

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The only problem is that Drury is almost certain to be overpaid, Nylander is probably going to ask for a raise, there is still no slow for Dawes to really fight for and I don't know if that leaves a lot of money to repair the defense.

I almost think the Rangers have to go out and trade for a younger, relatively cheaper player by moving some prospects.
:cough: :cough: Horton

EDIT: Speaking of Horton and the Panthers, One of the head scouts for the Panthers was in attendance tonight for the game.

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I see him as the same, but given the way he has improved, there is a slight chance he becomes a marginal 2nd line type..Either way, a Cullen or a Betts becomes expendable long term

Nevertheless, what does it mean for now?..I agree it's possible that this might be the only move FOR A CENTER this year, with a deal for a D_MAN more helpful...
I think he could, the thing with Avery is that he is more talented than a lot of people realize. They recognize him as being a pain in the ass (which he is) but this is a guy who wasn't a bum when it came to scoring at the junior or AHL level either and who is already a 15 goal, 40 point player.

Having said that, I think it's a bit of a long shot and asking him to be a good second line center (as opposed to passable) would really require ideally about 10 more goals and 20-25 more points than his current level.

I worry that we'd be right back into the same situation we got into with Cullen by hoping a legit third line center/forward suddenly becomes a second line player.

Ironically though, the two of them might make a nice third line (Cullen more of a finisher, Avery a playmaker).

The key for Avery will be maturing as a person and a player. I don't think his situation is all that different than Barnaby was in Buffalo. I think we saw a more mature Barnaby so that doesn't ring a bell for us, but the situations are pretty similar.

If Avery can grow at 26/27, the Rangers will have made a very good deal. If he doesn't than it'll be a disaster waiting to happen. But this is a move that is about more than this year.

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:cough: :cough: Horton

EDIT: Speaking of Horton and the Panthers, One of the head scouts for the Panthers was in attendance tonight for the game.
Again total pipe dream from my perspective, but I'd be lying if I didn't say he was along the lines of what I had in mind.

Now if you move Prucha, Montoya and first for him you could essentially have

Straka-Nylander-Jagr
Dawes-Horton-Shanahan
Cullen-Avery-Callahan/Hossa
Hollweg/Hossa-Betts-Ortmeyer

And you still would probably have the money to go out and improve the defense.

But again it never works out as easily as it does in your own mind.

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