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02-03-2014, 09:04 PM
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As a Steelheads fan, I enjoy watching Sean game in and game out, there's been his ups and downs this year.

But I have to think. What could have been if he didn't get exceptional status and joined a GTHL team like the Marlies. Would his development have been stunted or slowed down? Just wondering.

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02-03-2014, 09:12 PM
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As a Steelheads fan, I enjoy watching Sean game in and game out, there's been his ups and downs this year.

But I have to think. What could have been if he didn't get exceptional status and joined a GTHL team like the Marlies. Would his development have been stunted or slowed down? Just wondering.
I am not sure anything could have been gained playing minor midget. He still would not have learned how to defend, I would bet that taking his lumps against older kids has been the best for him. If he waited until next year he still wouldn't know how to play in his own zone.

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02-04-2014, 01:36 AM
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I am not sure anything could have been gained playing minor midget. He still would not have learned how to defend, I would bet that taking his lumps against older kids has been the best for him. If he waited until next year he still wouldn't know how to play in his own zone.
Agreed, his skating outgrew the rinks he was playing on, playing minor midget again would have been a waste of time, imo. Playing against OHL talent can only help him get better. He has fit in quite well this year. Looks well beyond his age.

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02-11-2014, 10:03 AM
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His plus minus stat, tells a very accurate story right now. His defensive zone play is below average right now. Lack of compete, stop's skating and just watches as chaos increases around him. Its actually quite puzzling to watch at times the situations that are happening and he doesnt seem to mind at all. Little urgency when the puck is in dangerous spots. He comes to life when his team has possession though but needs to grow his game in his own zone, no question about it.
No question he has room to improve, and I see what Mapleleaf is describing, but I also note for the last 6 weeks he has been mainly neutral (he was -26 on Dec 22 and is -30 now) even though the rest of the team has dropped significantly. For example JW is also -30 and he was something like -5 in early January, SL is -14 since joining the team in the Carrick deal, the forwards have also dropped a lot in the last month.

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03-20-2014, 03:29 PM
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Finished the season with only 16 points and being a -35.

Is it fair to say his season was a disappointment?

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03-20-2014, 03:30 PM
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Finished the season with only 16 points and being a -35.

Is it fair to say his season was a disappointment?
http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.p...=&status=stats

Just look what kinda team he plays in. Stats scouting is not very good way to judge him.

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03-20-2014, 03:31 PM
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Finished the season with only 16 points and being a -35.

Is it fair to say his season was a disappointment?
Depends how much you expected him to do on a bad team while playing defense at 15 years old.

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03-20-2014, 03:41 PM
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He did finish 2nd worst on his team in +/- while being 3rd in d-man points.

Compare that to Ekblad who finished 1st in d-man scoring while being 8th in +/-.

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03-20-2014, 04:43 PM
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He did finish 2nd worst on his team in +/- while being 3rd in d-man points.

Compare that to Ekblad who finished 1st in d-man scoring while being 8th in +/-.
+/- is a stupid stat.

OHL Coaches ranked him as one of the best skaters in the league.

I'd think coaches would be a better base of talent evaluation than mere stats.

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03-20-2014, 04:50 PM
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He did finish 2nd worst on his team in +/- while being 3rd in d-man points.

Compare that to Ekblad who finished 1st in d-man scoring while being 8th in +/-.
Why is Day's rookie season being compared to Ekblad's 3rd year in the league? If you want to make a comparison between the two, at least compare Day to Ekblad's rookie year.

Ekblad had 29 points and was a -5 in his rookie season. He also played on a team that finished 3rd in the Eastern Conference, scored 248 goals, and was a collective +38 as a team. Day had 16 points and was a -35, but on a team that finished 8th in the Eastern Conference, scored a paltry 167 goals, and was a collective -100.

You can't just compare their numbers straight up without taking into consideration the team they played on as rookies.

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03-20-2014, 05:10 PM
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He can skate, but can he do anything else?

I swear, that's the only positive I've heard about him, you'd think he's the second coming of Rico Fata.

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03-20-2014, 05:12 PM
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Why is Day's rookie season being compared to Ekblad's 3rd year in the league? If you want to make a comparison between the two, at least compare Day to Ekblad's rookie year.

Ekblad had 29 points and was a -5 in his rookie season. He also played on a team that finished 3rd in the Eastern Conference, scored 248 goals, and was a collective +38 as a team. Day had 16 points and was a -35, but on a team that finished 8th in the Eastern Conference, scored a paltry 167 goals, and was a collective -100.

You can't just compare their numbers straight up without taking into consideration the team they played on as rookies.
My comparison was to Ekblad's rookie season.

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03-20-2014, 05:15 PM
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My comparison was to Ekblad's rookie season.
The part where you said Ekblad lead his defense in scoring threw me off, because Ryan O'Connor was the leading D-man scorer for the Colts that year.

Also, that doesn't negate the rest of what I wrote. Different circumstances. You can't expect a kid who plays on a vastly inferior team to compete, stat-wise, with a kid who plays on one of the better teams in the conference.

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03-20-2014, 06:52 PM
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But you can expect them to compete to their team.

8th worst +- on a great team is better than 2nd worst on a bad team.

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03-20-2014, 07:29 PM
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But you can expect them to compete to their team.

8th worst +- on a great team is better than 2nd worst on a bad team.

According to the Missy coaches he has the best +\- on the team since Christmas. The entire team sank like a stone on this stat in the 2nd half. Day went from -26 to -35. In the same time period Walsh went from +3 to -38. LeBlanc was + when he joined the team in the Carrick trade - he also dropped hard in the second half. The team scored the fewest goals in the league. Hard for any of these guys to not be negative when there are few even strength goals being scored

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03-20-2014, 07:32 PM
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I thought he played fine this year. But he didn't scream 'exceptional status' to me like the others who got it have.

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03-20-2014, 08:39 PM
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He can skate, but can he do anything else?
Yes.

For a 15/16 year old, he's actually quite decent at using his body and size defensively. He's already decently physical in the open ice and along the boards. He needs to get more assertive/confident in front of the net, but I think the fact that he's already initiating contact quite frequently is a plus.

He also transitions to offense so quickly and is terrific at evading the forecheck. Once he gets possession, the puck rarely stays in his own end.

The offensive confidence is what he lacks currently, in order to put up points and be more noticeable to the casual fan. He's not quite at the point where he'll take it end to end and be aggressive in jumping up in the play. He's currently content with skating the puck out of his own end, then trying to make a strong breakout pass. His shot and ability to run the point on the powerplay are also a work in progress.

I was honestly impressed with him defensively this year (in the same way I was with Ekblad in his "exceptional" year). I don't care what his +/- says.

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Are people really comparing +/- from Day's rookie season to Ekblad's rookie season? Really?

Steelheads barely made the playoffs. 14 games below .500 and a -100 goal differential.

Meanwhile the Colts had 40 wins and a +38 goal differential in Ekblad's rookie season.

Come on people

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03-20-2014, 10:43 PM
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Stat scouts are funny. Watch the games people.

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Why are people even using +/-. It's not taken seriously by anyone in the NHL, why would it be in the OHL?

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Very hard to evaluate this kid on that team. Almost impossible.

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I wonder how people would perceive him if he got picked by Erie.

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According to the Missy coaches he has the best +\- on the team since Christmas. The entire team sank like a stone on this stat in the 2nd half. Day went from -26 to -35. In the same time period Walsh went from +3 to -38. LeBlanc was + when he joined the team in the Carrick trade - he also dropped hard in the second half. The team scored the fewest goals in the league. Hard for any of these guys to not be negative when there are few even strength goals being scored
Is Mississauga looking like they'll have a stronger team next year?

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Are people really comparing +/- from Day's rookie season to Ekblad's rookie season? Really?

Steelheads barely made the playoffs. 14 games below .500 and a -100 goal differential.

Meanwhile the Colts had 40 wins and a +38 goal differential in Ekblad's rookie season.

Come on people
No, it's one guy.

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Yes.

For a 15/16 year old, he's actually quite decent at using his body and size defensively. He's already decently physical in the open ice and along the boards. He needs to get more assertive/confident in front of the net, but I think the fact that he's already initiating contact quite frequently is a plus.

He also transitions to offense so quickly and is terrific at evading the forecheck. Once he gets possession, the puck rarely stays in his own end.

The offensive confidence is what he lacks currently, in order to put up points and be more noticeable to the casual fan. He's not quite at the point where he'll take it end to end and be aggressive in jumping up in the play. He's currently content with skating the puck out of his own end, then trying to make a strong breakout pass. His shot and ability to run the point on the powerplay are also a work in progress.

i

I was honestly impressed with him defensively this year (in the same way I was with Ekblad in his "exceptional" year). I don't care what his +/- says.


i only watched him in the u-17 and i agree 100% with your account.

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