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02-04-2014, 11:05 AM
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I doubt that we make any impact in the playoffs. I say we trade Bourque/Markov/Briere/Gionta and move on with the youth.
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[QUOTEIts believed that Kyle Clifford, Tanner Pearson and a 1st round pick is the asking price.][/QUOTE]

and thats a really good return for Markov

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I don't know much about Pearson what's his playing style like?

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02-04-2014, 11:06 AM
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The only message I get from trading Markov is that the team wants to get better and build for the future.
Yes, another 5 years plan please.

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Yes, another 5 years plan please.
Resign him in offseason

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I don't want MB to trade Markov. That would basically mean that we give up on the playoffs.
Did San Jose give up on the playoffs last year and a Cup run because they traded away Murray to Pittsburgh for 2 2nd rounders?

If Markov is not in the Habs plans going forward then I hope and they better trade him rather then lose him to UFA and not acquire any assets in return

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02-04-2014, 11:08 AM
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I'd prefer Toffoli but thats a pretty good return.

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02-04-2014, 11:09 AM
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If they trade Markov, it sends the wrong message to the room and the fans.

To be honest, I don't know that much about Pearson and Clifford.

Previous reports talked about Toffoli for Markov.
Not necessarily. If we trade for picks, then I agree with you 100%. But if we trade for a top notch forward, then I think it shows that he's willing to make the big trades in order to improve the team where our current weaknesses lie.

Sure, losing Markov would hurt the defense, a lot. But we've got plenty of good prospects on defense. Though, trading away Diaz and Markov will momentarily create a gap on D. On the other hand, we don't have that many great offensive prospects, we have a couple still developing with the team and we have plenty of vets that aren't scoring enough.

I love Markov and wish him to be a Hab until he retires. But I don't think we'd be winning a cup anytime soon. Might as well send Markov to a team that has an actual chance while getting something in return. You have to trade quality to get quality.

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02-04-2014, 11:10 AM
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Both Clifford and Pearson falls in the Bergervin's description as character players.

I know Pearson was drafted 200+ overall in the OHL draft and started in the OHL at 18 which is old. He was undrafted for 2 NHL drafts and worked his way up to being drafted in the first round in his 3rd year when he was 21. He doesn't give up. He also played for team Canada WJC and was the captain or assistant captain. He's putting up points in AHL at the moment and could be a powerforward winger in the mood of Brenden Morrow. Pearson is listed as 6'0" 205lbs.

Clifford on the other hand is big 6'2" 210lbs. He's not going to put up 20 goals. He's a grinder and plays hard and crashes the net. He had two interference on Carey Price that lead to goals when we played with LA. Clifford is better suited for 3-4th line. Travis Moen like.

1st round pick is in the 15-25 range in a weak draft year.

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02-04-2014, 11:11 AM
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Amazing that people around here want to keep Markov so we can sneak into the playoffs.

We need to look to the future - isn't this part of the rebuilding plan?

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02-04-2014, 11:12 AM
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Did San Jose give up on the playoffs last year and a Cup run because they traded away Murray to Pittsburgh for 2 2nd rounders?

If Markov is not in the Habs plans going forward then I hope and they better trade him rather then lose him to UFA and not acquire any assets in return
I like how you compared Murray's role with the Sharks and Markov's with the Habs currently.

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Both Clifford and Pearson falls in the Bergervin's description as character players.

I know Pearson was drafted 200+ overall in the OHL draft and started in the OHL at 18 which is old. He was undrafted for 2 NHL drafts and worked his way up to being drafted in the first round in his 3rd year when he was 21. He doesn't give up. He also played for team Canada WJC and was the captain or assistant captain. He's putting up points in AHL at the moment and could be a powerforward winger in the mood of Brenden Morrow. Pearson is listed as 6'0" 205lbs.

Clifford on the other hand is big 6'2" 210lbs. He's not going to put up 20 goals. He's a grinder and plays hard and crashes the net. He had two interference on Carey Price that lead to goals when we played with LA. Clifford is better suited for 3-4th line. Travis Moen like.

1st round pick is in the 15-25 range in a weak draft year.

True but we can always use that pick, combine to move higher, trade it for a player at the draft it opens possibilities when you have picks like that

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The habs need to space to see what the youth can do. One of Markov, Gionta and/or Gorges need to be traded to shift the direction of the club towards younger, faster and bigger players. For that, one needs to give up some skill and experience sometimes.

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Amazing that people around here want to keep Markov so we can sneak into the playoffs.

We need to look to the future - isn't this part of the rebuilding plan?
What's amazing is people on this board were so much in love with Diaz.

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02-04-2014, 11:13 AM
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Trading Markov for Clifford !! Now deres somm hokey sence for ya !
Ignoring the first round pick and Pearson.. a first pick from two years ago....now there's some common sense for ya!

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02-04-2014, 11:15 AM
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I like how you compared Murray's role had with the Sharks and Markov's with the Habs currently.
It's not about comparing roles or players, it's about comparing their contracts and the fact that both players were UFA to be. If the teams don't have these players in their future plans then why not trade them for assets

Everyone complained when we lost players to UFA like Souray, Koivu etc.

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I know Pearson was drafted 200+ overall in the OHL draft and started in the OHL at 18 which is old. He was undrafted for 2 NHL drafts and worked his way up to being drafted in the first round in his 3rd year when he was 21. He doesn't give up. He also played for team Canada WJC and was the captain or assistant captain. He's putting up points in AHL at the moment and could be a powerforward winger in the mood of Brenden Morrow. Pearson is listed as 6'0" 205lbs.
The hockeynews scouting:
Doesn't have ideal size for the National Hockey League, and he also is only an average skater by today's standards. Also lacks a physical dimension to his game.

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Seems to me that MB is gearing up unofficially for a run at Connor McDavid
I would weather that storm any ****ing day.

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02-04-2014, 11:16 AM
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I would do that deal, ASAP. Clifford, Pearson and a 1st? Absolutely.

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Yes, another 5 years plan please.
What 5 year plan, I mean trading him for a player that can play now.

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I don't care if we trade Markov as long as we somehow get a PMD back... Picks are fun but the season ain't over.

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It's not about comparing roles or players, it's about comparing their contracts and the fact that both players were UFA to be. If the teams don't have these players in their future plans then why not trade them for assets

Everyone complained when we lost players to UFA like Souray, Koivu etc.
Because Markov said he wanted to come back.
But agreed, if for some reason MB cant re-sign him, then he should be traded away

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Doesn't have ideal size for the National Hockey League, and he also is only an average skater by today's standards. Also lacks a physical dimension to his game.
I've seen him play plenty of times.

He is not a power forward at all but I would not consider him small.

He is a natural goal scorer - top 6 type player in the right situation.

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02-04-2014, 11:20 AM
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The Op also mentioned San Jose and Colorado. I'd be curious as to what posters feel would be "counter" offers for Markov from these teams. And personally I would prefer a 2015 1st round pick over 2014 no matter which team attempts to trade for him.

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02-04-2014, 11:23 AM
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Markov has been a great player. I'd hate to see him leave but I'm cognizant of his age, history of knee injuries, and contract. There's no telling when his body will give out. At least a player the Habs get in return would cost less and be serviceable for a number of years.

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Amazing that people around here want to keep Markov so we can sneak into the playoffs.

We need to look to the future - isn't this part of the rebuilding plan?
I know, it's as if Markov will lead us to a cup or something. I don't think his value will ever be as high as it is now. After we sign him and he slows down another notch he'll be untradable.

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