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02-04-2014, 11:22 AM
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On what planet does St Louis actually pull the trigger on this deal?
Go ask the Blues fan if they want to make the trade, they'll throw astewart at you laughing and running away with Eller. Stewart is basicly Andy Kostitsyn, he's deeply hated in Bluesland.

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Markov for Clifford, Pearson and a 1st?

Talk to Markov and see if he still wants to stay and at what price. If you can't agree to the terms, then that package is quite decent.
May I have an assessment of Clifford and Pearson?

I mean, their stats aren't really impressive, but I realize 100% that stats don't tell the entire story.

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Markov & Bourque for Clifford, Pearson, Parenteau & 1st?

Yes please.

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02-04-2014, 11:24 AM
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Can hardly wait to see Gorges and Boullion back on the second PP unit and our first unit fail even more than ever.

Toffoli better be coming back. I don't give a **** about Clifford, we've got enough 4th liners. Losing Markov is huge. He is ELITE at what he does. Clifford is not a need anymore and the draft is weak this year.

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02-04-2014, 11:25 AM
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May I have an assessment of Clifford and Pearson?

I mean, their stats aren't really impressive, but I realize 100% that stats don't tell the entire story.
Clifford is like Prust, but bigger and stronger. Can slide up and down the line up in an emergency but is the ideal 4th line player every team would want. I do believe he's played extensively on the 3rd line in LA though.

So Prust but bigger lol.

Pearson I don't know much about tbh.

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02-04-2014, 11:25 AM
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May I have an assessment of Clifford and Pearson?

I mean, their stats aren't really impressive, but I realize 100% that stats don't tell the entire story.
hoto actually put it very nicely;

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I would rather a Toffoli than a Pearson, but I think that's a bit of a fantasy. I was lukewarm at best on Pearson when he was drafted, but he seems to be scoring at a good clip in the AHL. Could be a decent 2nd-3rd liner down the road. Not sure Markov is going to get you a real bluechipper but Pearson has some interesting upside.

Clifford may not be a sexy player either but those guys are hard to come by and have value beyond the scoresheet. The first will be a late pick but that's the nature of trading to a contender.

I wasn't crazy about it at first because I think we desperately need to upgrade our scoring and this deal doesn't really help that, but all things considered, it's not a bad package at all.

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02-04-2014, 11:26 AM
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Can hardly wait to see Gorges and Boullion back on the second PP unit and our first unit fail even more than ever.

Toffoli better be coming back. I don't give a **** about Clifford, we've got enough 4th liners.
You gotta think the top 4 with Markov gone would be

Beaulieu-Subban (yes please!)
Emelin-Gorges

Not as good without Markov but with better forward lines able to close the gap and win puck battles I think we'd be better off.

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I'd definitely target Toffoli, the kid's a stud. Was one of LA's better wingers in the playoffs last year. I don't see them moving him for a rental though.

The package of Pearson, Clifford, 1st is actually a very nice looking package, all things considered. If we can't land a blue chipper, I'd pull the trigger. That 1st rounder would be a 20th overall pick if the draft were today.

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ESPN radio mentioned LA is looking at defenseman Andrew (its Andrei) Markov. San Jose and Colorado are also in the running for Markov's service. Its unclear if Bergervin will move Markov. Its believed that Kyle Clifford, Tanner Pearson and a 1st round pick is the asking price.

Louie Jean (some guy from sportsnet) said Colorado offered PA Parenteau for Rene Bourque. Bergervin said no and asked for Jamie Mcginn. Parenteau is not a grinder and Mcginn is. With the recent trade Raphael Diaz for Dale Weise, looks like the Habs are trying to get bigger and add grinders. I see Bergervin being interested in Clifford who has 5 points in 48 games this year.
Bergs is not going to trade Markov. He wouldn't get much for him and just traded Diaz, that would put him too thin on blue line depth heading the playoffs. Most Habs would get would be a 2nd round pick, Habs are better off keeping him.

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hoto actually put it very nicely;
So basically, 2 very physical grinders, of the bottom-6?

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Can hardly wait to see Gorges and Boullion back on the second PP unit and our first unit fail even more than ever.

Toffoli better be coming back. I don't give a **** about Clifford, we've got enough 4th liners.
If we get Toffoli for Markov we'd be lucky, not that Markov isnt worth it but it would really help our weak forward group.

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So basically, 2 very physical grinders, of the bottom-6?
Pearson is a prospect with some good scoring upside. Potential second liner. So...

Potential second line scoring winger
Bigger, meaner Prust
1st round pick

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I'm not against trading Markov but certainly not for Clifford , Pearson and a 1st and i love Clifford. I would expect at least to get someone who has top 6/top 4 potential even if it means less pieces coming back

A guy like Toffoli would make more sense

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I doubt that we make any impact in the playoffs. I say we trade Bourque/Markov/Briere/Gionta and move on with the youth.
What for? For those 4 all you get is return similar to Diaz. Somebody else's garbage. Junk for junk kind of moves.

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I am not looking to acquire Pearson who has been drafted at 20yo.

I would dream about acquiring Toffoli for the next 30 days.

Let's face it LAK could move Toffoli to increase their chance to win the Cup once again.

Brown-Kopitar-Carter
King-Richards-Williams
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Toffoli is currently playing on the 1st line, but they have to make sacrifice to get into the SCF.

They have a good young prospect core and I think it is the price for General Markov.

I like Forbort size

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I'd definitely target Toffoli, the kid's a stud. Was one of LA's better wingers in the playoffs last year. I don't see them moving him for a rental though.
You'd probably have to add a piece and if not, LAK would want the deal made contingent on signing longer term.

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I'd go for : Markov + 2nd for Toffoli.

Toffoli will be a 70pts player in the NHL. Exactly what we need and that we dont have in our prospect pool.
Galchenyuk Plekanec Toffoli
Pacioretty DDH Gallagher
Clifford Eller Gionta
Weise Briere Prust
White Parros

Emelin Subban
Beaulieu Gorges
Murray Pateryn


Bourque traded for pick
Moen traded for Toffoli, Clifford


Wow our defense looks young and weak with Markov gone. It would definitely hurt rest of this season and may need to pick up another vet to have around.

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Markov for Clifford, Pearson and a 1st?

Talk to Markov and see if he still wants to stay and at what price. If you can't agree to the terms, then that package is quite decent.
I usually agree with you on your value evaluations but you're way off here. That's not a package for Markov. Clifford is a grinder, Pearson isn't an upgrade over anyone in the system right now and the 1st is a glorified 2nd.

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Pearson is a prospect with some good scoring upside. Potential second liner. So...

Potential second line scoring winger
Bigger, meaner Prust
1st round pick
That's.. not a bad package, indeed. You add kids like De La Rose, McCarro, and we might have a very physical team in 2-3 years.

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02-04-2014, 11:31 AM
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It would be a very nice return for Markov!

Please, make it happen!

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offer is fair but why do we need to keep adding grinders,cant we just add to Markov and try to land Toffoli

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offer is fair but why do we need to keep adding grinders,cant we just add to Markov and try to land Toffoli
Maybe Toffoli doesn't have the character Bergevin and his 345 scouts are looking for

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You'd probably have to add a piece and if not, LAK would want the deal made contingent on signing longer term.
That could be a problem considering Markov fired his agent.

Not sure what we'd add though... Its pretty much an impossible deal now that I think about it. They need scoring and he's 5th in goals despite having only played 38 games.

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That's.. not a bad package, indeed. You add kids like De La Rose, McCarro, and we might have a very physical team in 2-3 years.
Yup, the fact is you just don't get top flight scoring players who are young via trade very often anymore. Those have to be drafted and developed so if there is an ability to trade for younger bottom 6 players who can actually play the game, fight and win puck battles you do it. Markov has been a good soldier but this team needs a face lift and you do what you can and hope the kids you drafted fit into the top 6.

Moen-Eller-Clifford
Prust-White-Weise

While not sexy, that's a heavy bottom 6 that can lean on teams and soften them up for our smaller speedy top 6 guys. Think about how much more effective Gallagher, Desharnais and Gionta could be if they weren't taking the brunt of the beating from every defenseman in the league?

Side note: Everyone wants Toffoli which I completely agree with but I don't see why the LA Kings, who have a worse time scoring than us would trade one of their better young forwards who can actually put the puck in the back of the net. It doesn't add up for them. The trade presented here does make sense for them and it can make a lot of sense for us as well. It's a hockey trade and a win-win, unless Markov refuses to waive of course.

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toffoli would be awesome but theres no way LA would do that

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