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02-05-2014, 04:16 PM
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people are playing down conacher because he turned back into a pumpkin after the deal--playing with the bolts he looked like the real deal
Not really. He looked like a guy that was getting his stats inflated playing with one of the best players in the league. I was unsure of Bishop at the time, but I was pretty confident Conacher would turn out to be nothing special

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Why would the Kings and Canucks be so careful not to trade within their division, and yet the Senators traded Bishop inside their division? The reality is that we didn't offer anything for Bishop. Management likes to pretend they did though.
The more likely scenario is because Ottawa didn't think trading someone who up to that point was a minor league goalie (albeit one with good stats picked up over 5 years in the AHL) would have much chance of directly hurting their team in the standings like Vancouver was thinking about if they'd dealt Schneider, a much more proven commodity, inside their division.

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Management has a legit excuse for failing to get Schneider and Bernier, but no excuse for failing to get Bishop.

Why would the Kings and Canucks be so careful not to trade within their division, and yet the Senators traded Bishop inside their division? The reality is that we didn't offer anything for Bishop. Management likes to pretend they did though.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The Oilers DID make an offer.

"The Oilers apparently offered winger Ryan Jones.... and somewhere between a second and a fourth-round pick. Tampa was pitching little winger Cory Conacher and a fourth-rounder. The Senators liked Conacher better, so he wound up in Tampa."

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...oilers-jersey/

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02-05-2014, 04:35 PM
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With how bad and useless Conacher has been, I wonder if Murray is kicking himself for not taking Jones + the 2nd.

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02-05-2014, 04:36 PM
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Also, how come Ottawa gets ripped for giving up on Bishop but not St. Louis?

The Blues chose Bryan Elliott over Bishop....lol.

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02-05-2014, 04:51 PM
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Also, how come Ottawa gets ripped for giving up on Bishop but not St. Louis?

The Blues chose Bryan Elliott over Bishop....lol.
Bishop 3rd in league in GAA, Scrivens 4th
Scrivens 1st in league in sav%, Bishop 2nd

should TOR and LA be kicking themselves too?

OTT has Lehner and Anderson
LA has Quick, Jones
STL has Halak, Elliot has better numbers than Halak and Jake Allen is ready for NHL.

Each team traded from an organizational strength and filled other holes.

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02-05-2014, 04:55 PM
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You have no idea what you're talking about. The Oilers DID make an offer.

"The Oilers apparently offered winger Ryan Jones.... and somewhere between a second and a fourth-round pick. Tampa was pitching little winger Cory Conacher and a fourth-rounder. The Senators liked Conacher better, so he wound up in Tampa."

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...oilers-jersey/
Yeah, I had trouble grasping how TB's offer was better than Edmonton's, especially if Edmonton was offering a higher pick.

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02-05-2014, 04:56 PM
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Also, how come Ottawa gets ripped for giving up on Bishop but not St. Louis?

The Blues chose Bryan Elliott over Bishop....lol.

Because Elliott was and is still playing very well. There was no reason for St Louis to move one of Halak/Elliott, Bishop at the time was an unproven goalie.

The reason Ottawa gets ripped is because Bishop has played waaaaaay better then either Andersson/Lehner.

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02-05-2014, 05:00 PM
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Back to one trade rumour for every twenty horrendous trade proposals.

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Lots of info from 30 Thoughts this week:



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#6 is misleading. The Oilers cannot choose to retain salary for only one year. The %-age is fixed across the remaining contract.

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Back to one trade rumour for every twenty horrendous trade proposals.
Agreed. I liked separate rumors and proposals threads way more than I like this cluster**** of a thread.

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I am willing to donate money for a Tim Hortons gift card if that convinces a moderator to volunteer keeping two separate threads in line.

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I have it on very strong authority (mods PM me if you wish) that the Senators were willing to deal Bishop to the Oilers for Jones and a 2nd, but Tambo turned it down because the Senators wanted the Oilers 2nd, but Tambo was only willing to give away the Ducks 2nd rounder.

That's how bloody conservative that idiot GM was.

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02-05-2014, 05:26 PM
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I have it on very strong authority (mods PM me if you wish) that the Senators were willing to deal Bishop to the Oilers for Jones and a 2nd, but Tambo turned it down because the Senators wanted the Oilers 2nd, but Tambo was only willing to give away the Ducks 2nd rounder.

That's how bloody conservative that idiot GM was.
I've heard this as well.

Either way Bishop plays for Tampa now. That ship has sailed.

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02-05-2014, 05:26 PM
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I saw something about Spec speculating on L. Schenn to the Oilers?

I dunno. Schenn has been shaky in his last season with the Leafs and with Philly.

At the same time, he's young enough where he can turn it around. Young D-man have some slumps all the time. Take Coburn and Myers for example.

At the same time, I'm not sure I have enough faith in MacT to get atleast a rock solid LHD to pair with Schenn to form a solid pairing. It'd have to be a clear cut top-pairing guy (think Edler).

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I saw something about Spec speculating on L. Schenn to the Oilers?

I dunno. Schenn has been shaky in his last season with the Leafs and with Philly.

At the same time, he's young enough where he can turn it around. Young D-man have some slumps all the time. Take Coburn and Myers for example.

At the same time, I'm not sure I have enough faith in MacT to get atleast a rock solid LHD to pair with Schenn to form a solid pairing. It'd have to be a clear cut top-pairing guy (think Edler).
Woah woah woah... I do not think he is being pursued to be a first pair RD... I htink MacT and Lowe just see Smith/Staios material in him and want to develop him right... we were once the best in NHL at turning around those kinds of guys into useful players

You know honestly I think The Captain would be a good mentor... they have similar strengths weaknesses... for all of Ference's failings so far he is a wily vet with lots to teach... just what Schenn could benefit from

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Schultz is the one I worry about us ruining... has looked much better lately and will benefit from Olympic break more than any one player on our team... but he badly needs a minute eater LD to cover for him and teach him the game

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I have it on very strong authority (mods PM me if you wish) that the Senators were willing to deal Bishop to the Oilers for Jones and a 2nd, but Tambo turned it down because the Senators wanted the Oilers 2nd, but Tambo was only willing to give away the Ducks 2nd rounder.

That's how bloody conservative that idiot GM was.
I hate Tambellini so much.

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02-05-2014, 05:50 PM
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Bishop 3rd in league in GAA, Scrivens 4th
Scrivens 1st in league in sav%, Bishop 2nd

should TOR and LA be kicking themselves too?

OTT has Lehner and Anderson
LA has Quick, Jones
STL has Halak, Elliot has better numbers than Halak and Jake Allen is ready for NHL.

Each team traded from an organizational strength and filled other holes.
You didn't answer my question. I said why does Ottawa get ripped and not St. Louis?

Do you disagree that Bishop is better than Halak and Elliott right now?

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02-05-2014, 05:56 PM
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What if the Oilers went a different route and rolled with 3 solid pairs of #3/4 d-men instead of trying to worry about landing that big fish and trading away big assets to get it?

You could play whoever was going that particular night a little more and switch things up from game to game depending on who matched up well with who.

This way we'd never be relying too much on one or two guys but being able to roll with 6 solid interchangeable D that could go on any given night.

Perhaps this would free up money to be spent else wear?

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If we're trading for project defensemen like Luke Schenn, then we're going to have to start trading some of our D prospects.

We don't need more bottom-pairing capable, "maybe NHL ready", or "top 4 potential in a few years" guys. We have tons already. We could legitimately have Klefbom, Marincin, and Nurse all making a case for NHL employment next season (which would be a double-edged sword; great to see that progress, cannot have half of our d be rookies), with guys like Fedun already hitting the point where they should be either getting minutes or being traded before they walk.

Ideally, we need a legitimate top-pairing guy, at the very least a "top 4 now, top pairing potential" young guy, or another blue-chip stud like Nurse. For the latter, we're all hoping that's where Ekblad comes in, but I don't see Schenn fitting in any of those.

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I have it on very strong authority (mods PM me if you wish) that the Senators were willing to deal Bishop to the Oilers for Jones and a 2nd, but Tambo turned it down because the Senators wanted the Oilers 2nd, but Tambo was only willing to give away the Ducks 2nd rounder.

That's how bloody conservative that idiot GM was.
That's a real piss-off if true. I wonder what other moves he could have made but didn't.

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That's a real piss-off if true. I wonder what other moves he could have made but didn't.
I don't even want to know...

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But what if Bishop didn't pan out to what he is? Then everybody would be ripping him for giving up a second round pick.

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I hate Tambellini so much.
That's also the move that was rumoured to be the last straw for Lowe and Katz and spurred on the replacement of Tambo with MacT. So at least it got rid of Tambo.

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But what if Bishop didn't pan out to what he is? Then everybody would be ripping him for giving up a second round pick.
When I first heard the rumour about Jones and the 2nd for Bishop (back when it originally leaked), and I thought it was the Sens that turned it down, I was ok with what we would have given up. I was actually more sad about Jones going but that's another story.

I thought Elliott would have been a good 1B in tandem with Dubnyk fighting for the starting job. If he didn't pan out that would have been fine, at least we would have tried something different.

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