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02-05-2014, 09:42 PM
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Trade Savard? *gulp*.....
I like Erixon and Goloubef more and we are going to have to trade at least one of our defensemen.

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What about Andrew Cogliano? He's putting up good points this season (outproducing Anisimov), he's friends with a couple guys on the team including Jack Johnson, he is a speedy/gritty 3rd line center. Think Anaheim would be open to a trade considering they seem to be in a bit of a rut the last 2 weeks?

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What about Andrew Cogliano? He's putting up good points this season (outproducing Anisimov), he's friends with a couple guys on the team including Jack Johnson, he is a speedy/gritty 3rd line center. Think Anaheim would be open to a trade considering they seem to be in a bit of a rut the last 2 weeks?
No, he was signed to a new 4 year contract extension not to long ago.

Any interest in Kyle Palmieri? Although, not sure if he is even up for trade. Also, not sure if he would help us get better right now. But looking to the future, I think he would fit in.

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Just thrwing this out there.

Anyone think Oscar Dansk could be trade bait? After his play in the World Juniors and the fact the CBJ don't need to try and rush him could make him an option to be moved.

The CBJ seem to be high on Anton Forsberg since they signed him to an entry level deal this season. Dansk technically could play in the OHL for another year since he turns 20 this month is there is no rush for the CBJ to sign him for another year or so.

I'm not all for moving him as I would love to see him in a CBJ uniform in the future but I can see how it might make sense for the right deal. Does anyone think Jarmo is bringing his name up in discussions?

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No, he was signed to a new 4 year contract extension not to long ago.
Oh yeah, I guess he did just sign like a month ago.

Shame.

It's hard to say who is available and who isn't. You almost never see young, high-profile goaltending prospects get traded before they see NHL action, though.

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02-05-2014, 10:55 PM
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Damn SL, I just looked at his numbers. Didn't realize he was having that "monster" of a year. How much would a young guy like him cost now?

22 goals. Holy grail.
Definitely off to a great pace this year ... he's out of the Hitchcock defensive system; it was bound to happen. Clearly, Edmonton is looking for goaltending and defense ... I'm not sure what it would take for Edmonton to part with Perron, but he's a very intriguing piece.

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Perron would be interesting but he did miss several months with a concussion. Something to consider. However, he is someone JD/JK know very well.
Horton missed several months with shoulder surgery ... both carry potential for re-injury, and none of us are complaining about having him on board

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Certainly a possibility, but there's nothing wrong with having a few good prospects in net.

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02-05-2014, 11:17 PM
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Just thrwing this out there.

Anyone think Oscar Dansk could be trade bait? After his play in the World Juniors and the fact the CBJ don't need to try and rush him could make him an option to be moved.

The CBJ seem to be high on Anton Forsberg since they signed him to an entry level deal this season. Dansk technically could play in the OHL for another year since he turns 20 this month is there is no rush for the CBJ to sign him for another year or so.

I'm not all for moving him as I would love to see him in a CBJ uniform in the future but I can see how it might make sense for the right deal. Does anyone think Jarmo is bringing his name up in discussions?
He better not be. There are only 2 prospects I wouldn't trade. Him and Wennberg.

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Definitely off to a great pace this year ... he's out of the Hitchcock defensive system; it was bound to happen. Clearly, Edmonton is looking for goaltending and defense ... I'm not sure what it would take for Edmonton to part with Perron, but he's a very intriguing piece.
Problem is that there seems to be a disconnect between many Edmonton fans with regards to what Mactavish is going to do.

Many fans are hoping that the rebuild is coming to a close while others are saying that he may prolong or even restart the rebuild.

Really, it seems like nobody knows what the Oil are going to do right now.

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02-05-2014, 11:47 PM
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Problem is that there seems to be a disconnect between many Edmonton fans with regards to what Mactavish is going to do.

Many fans are hoping that the rebuild is coming to a close while others are saying that he may prolong or even restart the rebuild.

Really, it seems like nobody knows what the Oil are going to do right now.
Well said. I put the Perron to CBJ proposal on there and got a crazy array of pieces in a deal.

One wanted Dubinsky
One wanted Tyutin
One wanted Tyutin and Nikitin
One said the only deal would have to involve Johansen

I'm looking for something like a 3-1 type deal where we got Rick Nash but that wasn't well received. They are all over the place.

Honestly, this is a by-product of just drafting/trading for too many of the same type of player (smallish, highly skilled wingers). They have what a lot of teams want but they're small. And teams won't trade talented big guys for talented small guys.

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Why look for a trade?

Why should management be looking to trade any player at all. Consider these points...

Offense -

1) The jackets have climbed to seventh in the nhl in scoring (2.91) and are right behind Colorado for 6th place. The average since Dec 10th (26 games) is 3.50. All of our active fowards check and play defense. Do we really need a scoring winger that doesn't? If you want one; the best sniper/scoring winger available on the market before the trade deadline is currently on our roster. His name is Marian Gaborik and he averages 35.5 goals per 82 regular season games played and .65 points per game in the playoffs. Don't have to do anything to get him but decide who's gonna sit.

2) I read chatter in other threads about trading for Dorsett or wanting Boll back in the lineup. I think both are bad ideas. Feelings for those two players aside, right now our 4th line usually comprises Letetsu, Mackenzie, and Tropp/Comeau/Skille. This line may not check the other team to death but they provide energy to the game and more importantly are putting up goals. This line goes in during the third period and late in games.

3) Horton is still not 100% up to speed and being tried out on different lines. The overall chemistry of the top 3 foward lines is great. There is no need to dump any bad seeds. Even RJ, who has definately lost a step, is playing decent this year (although he should have 20 goals right now instead of 15). Yes there is no true #1 line yet but isn't that part of what makes us tough to play? You can't just focus on the Johansen line because the scoring comes from everywhere.

4) The powerplay is ranked 14th but that ranking is being dragged down by the first half of the games. They are playing better now.

Seems to me we really don't want to get rid any of our top 10 fowards unless it is for someone who wants out of the team they play for now, make sense under the cap, and is an obvious upgrade. I don't think we need to disrupt our foward lines before the offseason with Gaborik on the roster unless a no-brainer deal materializes at the last minute. Trading for Callahan with his contract demands is crazy unless we say trade RJ and a late round draft pick and then let him walk in free agency. Why mess with this group just because we have a defensemen to spare. It's not like we are 16th in scoring anymore.


Defense -

1) The top 5 defensemen - Tyutin, Johnson, Murray, Wisniewski, Nikitin - as a group are good, maybe not great, 8 on a scale from 1 to 10. The next 4 defensemen Prout, Savard, Erixon, Golubef could be in the bottom pair or a 7th defensmen for many teams in the nhl. Someone will have to go before next season but you can keep them all this year in case injuries occur later on.

2) Backup goalie McElhinney ranks 32 among all goaltenders in goals and save percentage. That's not great but if Bobrovsy is healthy and you just need him once in a while he's not as bad as some make him out to be.

3) The penalty kill is 16th but that also has been playing better lately.

Since we have an NHL quality defensemen to spare you could offer one up to a team needing it. For a better backup goalie - OK. Or maybe an upgrade to the top 5 defensemen. But that would mean giving up defensmen to get a defensemen. I guess that could happed for a non playoff team looking to dump at the deadline so that would also be a wait and see.

Maybe I'm delusional but if this team continues to progress as they have been I'd like to see them go into the playoffs as assembled now then decide in the offseason what needs to be changed.

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02-06-2014, 01:52 AM
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Good first post and you've summed up my position. I'd be very leery of a trade right now. Gabby coming back will equate to a trade in a sense, and one that results in a deadline-deal player of a caliber we won't really be able to get.

Stay the course, keep playing tough Blue Jackets hockey, and welcome Gabby back.

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Great analysis.

The Blue Jackets could be improved, but the direction of this team is nothing but positive. The team is dealing from a position of strength when it comes to the trading game.

If there is the proverbial deal that can't be refused out there for JK, then, by all means, I hope that he takes it. But, there's no need for a Callahan-type "rental" for this squad. If the chips fall the Jackets way, then they'll have the potential to make some noise in the playoffs. Even if the team gets into the post season and falls on its face, progress will have been made. The young core of this team has progressed very nicely under Coach Richards and there's no need to make any changes just for the sake of doing so or risk altering the team's very nice chemistry for some possible marginal improvement.

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Trading now may have less to do with this season, and more to do with seeing if there are some deadline cherries to be picked for next season.

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Trading now may have less to do with this season, and more to do with seeing if there are some deadline cherries to be picked for next season.
This seems to me to be what will drive any trades that are made. My guess is that it is unlikely to happen just because the type of player we would want is not likely to be available. Getting Gaborik last year was, imo, a one of a kind deal, although NJ is having good results with Jagr this year.

I am hoping that a team like Edmonton will come to its senses after the season and may be more willing to part with one of their forwards for a package of a D, maybe a player and a pick/prospect.

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As a member of the "make a trade" camp I agree that a trade does not have to be made, for all the reasons that you listed. However I think a trade would be beneficial for a number of reasons.

1. Playoff aspirations. This is a young improving team however I think most would agree that in a 7 game series against the top teams in the NHL we are outclassed (not guaranteed to lose, but it is more likely than not) personnel wise. I am really only interested in top end talent via trade as that is where we are lacking, we have depth in spades I would like to see a portion of that depth be used to improve the team.

2. Gaborik conundrum. While I agree that Gaborik is probably the best player not named Johansen or Murray on the roster (when healthy) the issues with him and his future are numerous. First his health and fragility (on display this year) are difficult to deal with as he is in and out of the lineup which can cause chemistry problems. Second is his contract which is way to much cap room and real dollars for what he has brought to the team. Third is the fact he is a ufa which means that we could lose him for nothing, particularly because we are not desperate enough for his services to pay him what he could get in free agency Finally is age, gaborik will likely be in his mid 30s and in serious decline by the time we are competing for cups. This is why I'm an advocate of trading gaborik. Would he make the team better when he makes his return after the Olympic break, almost certainly, but any addition will do that as Gaborik has played next to 0 games this year. We are in a unique position when it comes to Gaborik, essentially we are a playoff level team with a bona fide top line winger who we can trade without any loss to the on ice production of the team. Trading Gaborik does not hurt the team lineup in any way in the short term, and since this is likely not the year for a cup run the assets gaborik will return when combined with the dollars and cap room we save makes moving Gaborik smarter course of action in the long run as well.

3. UFAs. Along the same lines as Gaborik losing guys to UFA for nothing (particularly Nikitin) makes no sense for the organization, particularly as we continue to build as consistently competitive team.

4. Depth. This is probably the most controversial point (particularly as the jackets have never had great organizational depth) and relates back to the Ufa point. Right now we have depth in both the forward and d corps. Trading players, particularly from the blue line for help in other places makes sense as we can absorb most likely roster changes with little to no drop off in the performance of the team.

All in all I think the OP makes great points about why a trade is not needed however while trades may not be needed they can be beneficial. Particularly for this team which has a few clear deficiencies (I.e 1st line winger(s), shutdown D-man, and a backup goalie)


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Good job, mario and alpha, in presenting both sides.

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Hopefully the Gaborik of old returns and not the Gaborik of 2013/14. He's shown nothing of his old past this year, and all his injuries were moment injuries, so it wasnt like they were lingering and effecting his play. The thing you see a lot from the top caliber contenders is their 3rd and 4th lines. Winning teams generally have their 3rd and 4th lines go to other teams to play greater roles. Upgrade the Tropps and such is where i'd be looking most

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Hopefully the Gaborik of old returns and not the Gaborik of 2013/14. He's shown nothing of his old past this year, and all his injuries were moment injuries, so it wasnt like they were lingering and effecting his play. The thing you see a lot from the top caliber contenders is their 3rd and 4th lines. Winning teams generally have their 3rd and 4th lines go to other teams to play greater roles. Upgrade the Tropps and such is where i'd be looking most
Agreed. I listed my problems with Gaborik above, however I must say that a significant portion of that is due to age and cap space. I would love to have Gaborik, but not for the deal and term I fear he wants. A three year incentive ladden deal (30 goals, 40 goals, 70gp, etc) would be best for both parties, however in free agency he is likely looking at 6 million x 6 years relatively easily which is considerably more than I would want to commit.

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We don't have to make a trade, but we need to always be looking to improve the team. The team isn't perfect. We have a lot of depth that could be traded and that doesn't even take into account all the prospects who will be ready in the next few years. IMO, to become really good we need to turn some of this depth in 1 or 2 more very good players somehow.

To me, here are the very good players we have.

Johansen, Horton, Murray, and Bobrovsky.

Then we have a huge group of good players and some okay players. I would love to somehow turn some players from this group into another player to join our group of 4 very good players.

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Agreed. I listed my problems with Gaborik above, however I must say that a significant portion of that is due to age and cap space. I would love to have Gaborik, but not for the deal and term I fear he wants. A three year incentive ladden deal (30 goals, 40 goals, 70gp, etc) would be best for both parties, however in free agency he is likely looking at 6 million x 6 years relatively easily which is considerably more than I would want to commit.
I would happily give him that AAV, or that term. I would not do both.

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I wouldn't even give him 6 million. He hasn't done anything in Columbus to warrant a resign. I don't see any scenario where he is a Blue Jacket next year in my opinion, outside of coming back, lighting up the season and playoffs. He's been very underwhelming sense we got him.

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I would happily give him that AAV, or that term. I would not do both.
I wouldn't give him either. There is no way I would sign him for more than 2 years. There is no way I would sign him for more than $4,000,000. Of course, I wouldn't sign him at all. Just saying that, with his history, I don't see how you could want to commit big dollars or big years to him.

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I wouldn't give him either. There is no way I would sign him for more than 2 years. There is no way I would sign him for more than $4,000,000. Of course, I wouldn't sign him at all. Just saying that, with his history, I don't see how you could want to commit big dollars or big years to him.
40 goals.

That's all.


EDIT: Well, okay. That and there's something to be said for having a guy who's so well known as being awesome that he draws most of the attention of the opposition.

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With his history, someone almost certainly will offer that. Forty goal scorers don't come cheap and, though his injury history is worrisome, he's not that old. I'm not, however, advocating the Jackets offer that much money or term. I'll be pleased if he stays or if he goes, as long as he contributes to a serious playoff run, this season.

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My gut feeling is that they give Gaborik a chance to be a difference maker when he returns.

If he plays great and helps propel them into the play-offs, and do well in the play-offs, they try and re-sign him. If he is a bust they offer him less money and if he does not accept they let him walk.

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