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02-07-2007, 08:13 AM
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um... riiiiiight. Sorry to be the wet blanket. If we just let go players that easily why do you suppose Malik is still on this team. Or Sandis Ozolinsh for that matter???/
Nylander is a FA after this season, so we could easily let him go.

But why would we want to? And how do you compare Nylander, who's in the top 20 in the league in scoring (10th in assists) and has had the two best years of his career with us, to the dead weights that are Ozo and Malik?

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02-07-2007, 08:17 AM
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youd have to be an idiot to trade prucha for Tucker.

this team aint making the playoffs. tucker maybe has a year or 2 left.

thats the kinda trade you make if youre going for a cup run.
just keep saying they wont when they still are clearly in the hunt.

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02-07-2007, 08:33 AM
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What type of package would it take to get this guy? If we included Cullen, and Prucha, how much more would we have to include?

For some reason, I really want to see Avery-Tucker-Shanny on the same line.

I think that would give us two very solid lines. I'd hate to give up Prucha but you have to give up something to get something.
You'd trade Prucha for a UFA to be? I guess you really can't rebuild in NY.

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02-07-2007, 08:34 AM
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To see that line i'd give up PRUCHA in a heart beat!
Yep, can't rebuild in NY.

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02-07-2007, 08:37 AM
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Sign Drury...Acquire Tucker....Sign Parros or Thornton....let Nylander go:
Straka-Drury-Jagr
Tucker-Avery-Shanny
Prucha-Cullen-Ortmeyer
Hollweg-Betts-Parros/Thornton
Uh huh. So this team is going to sign Drury, acquire and resign Tucker, resign Shanahan, sign Parros or Thornton. Got it.

Now about that salary cap...

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02-07-2007, 08:40 AM
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Uh huh. So this team is going to sign Drury, acquire and resign Tucker, resign Shanahan, sign Parros or Thornton. Got it.

Now about that salary cap...

Those guys might all take discounts to come here, right?

Then we might still have room to add Gomez, Briere, and Datsyuk

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02-07-2007, 08:49 AM
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Sign Drury...Acquire Tucker....Sign Parros or Thornton....let Nylander go:
Straka-Drury-Jagr
Tucker-Avery-Shanny
Prucha-Cullen-Ortmeyer
Hollweg-Betts-Parros/Thornton
Avery should not play on 2nd line...another misusing, like with Cullen.
Drury would be my target nr1, in fact, the only one.
I think there is no place for Darcy Tucker, unless Rangers would deal Cullen away(but i would like to see that)

Straka-Nylander-Jagr
Prucha-Drury-Shanny
Cullen-Avery-Hossa/Callahan
Holly-Betts-Orts


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Drury would be my target nr1
Completely agree. I want Drury here. Have for years.

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02-07-2007, 09:39 AM
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Avery should not play on 2nd line...another misusing, like with Cullen.
Drury would be my target nr1, in fact, the only one.
I think there is no place for Darcy Tucker, unless Rangers would deal Cullen away(but i would like to see that)

Straka-Nylander-Jagr
Prucha-Drury-Shanny
Cullen-Avery-Hossa/Callahan
Holly-Betts-Orts
what a sick lineup.. throw in some other kids throughout the year to give them a taste, Byers, Dubinsky, Dawes..

we must get/go for Drury.. although i highly doubt he leaves Buffalo..

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02-07-2007, 09:44 AM
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what a sick lineup.. throw in some other kids throughout the year to give them a taste, Byers, Dubinsky, Dawes..

we must get/go for Drury.. although i highly doubt he leaves Buffalo..
The Sabres can't afford to keep both Drury and Briere, so I would think we'll make a really strong push for both, though obviously we'd only be able to sign one.

And if neither of them can be lured, then Gomez and Datsyuk are also UFAs.

Any of them would fit in beautifully with the Rangers, though Drury would be my first choice. He's always been one of my favorite non-Rangers. The guy plays hard on both ends and just flat-out wins wherever he goes.

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02-07-2007, 11:18 AM
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You'd trade Prucha for a UFA to be? I guess you really can't rebuild in NY.
Why don't people read my other posts before saying the same thing all the time. I didn't know he was going to be a FA. I thought he was locked up for 2-3 years.

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02-07-2007, 11:23 AM
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Why don't people read my other posts before saying the same thing all the time. I didn't know he was going to be a FA. I thought he was locked up for 2-3 years.
Regardless of what you thought, the philosophy is flawed. Even if he was locked for another 2-3 years, you don't trade Prucha for Tucker. He'l be 32 next month. And is less and less likely to play a full season.

You don't trade Prucha for a guy like that.

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02-07-2007, 11:52 AM
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just keep saying they wont when they still are clearly in the hunt.
They wont. They cant.

Seriously, they need to go, at a MINIMUM 18-9-1 down the stretch.

they clearly arent going to trade youth for vets, so they are pretty much going to have to do it with this roster, and are going to have to do it yesterday.

here are the remaining games...
vs Tpa Bay Lightning
at Washington Capitals
at Carolina Hurricanes
vs Philadelphia Flyers
vs Chicago Blackhawks
at New Jersey Devils
vs New Jersey Devils
vs Columbus Blue Jacks
vs Montreal Canadiens
vs Pittsburgh Penguins
vs St Louis Blues
vs New York Islanders
at New York Islanders
at Pittsburgh Penguins
vs Carolina Hurricanes
vs Ottawa Senators
at Atlanta Thrashers
vs Boston Bruins
vs Pittsburgh Penguins
vs Philadelphia Flyers
at Boston Bruins
at New York Islanders
at Montreal Canadiens
at Philadelphia Flyers
vs Toronto Maple Leafs
at New York Islanders
vs Montreal Canadiens
at Pittsburgh Penguins

heres how i think its likely to play out if all goes well:
vs Tpa Bay Lightning L
at Washington Capitals W
at Carolina Hurricanes W
vs Philadelphia Flyers W
vs Chicago Blackhawks W
at New Jersey Devils L
vs New Jersey Devils W
vs Columbus Blue Jacks W
vs Montreal Canadiens L
vs Pittsburgh Penguins L
vs St Louis Blues W
vs New York Islanders W
at New York Islanders L
at Pittsburgh Penguins L
vs Carolina Hurricanes L
vs Ottawa Senators L
at Atlanta Thrashers L
vs Boston Bruins W
vs Pittsburgh Penguins W
vs Philadelphia Flyers W
at Boston Bruins W
at New York Islanders L
at Montreal Canadiens L
at Philadelphia Flyers W
vs Toronto Maple Leafs W
at New York Islanders L
vs Montreal Canadiens W
at Pittsburgh Penguins L

thats 15-13, pretty much par for the course for us.

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02-07-2007, 02:28 PM
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Regardless of what you thought, the philosophy is flawed. Even if he was locked for another 2-3 years, you don't trade Prucha for Tucker. He'l be 32 next month. And is less and less likely to play a full season.

You don't trade Prucha for a guy like that.
Well if we can get him for less then great. I'm not going to propose silly trades like most people do where there team gives up scrubs while getting really good talent. I like Prucha A LOT but I also know you sometimes have to give up something to get something.

I also think you over value him because he's a Ranger. You're probably thinking he's a lot better then what he really is. MOST players playing on a line with jagr and Nylander will have improving stats. They will look a lot better then what they really are. Prucha was a 30 goal scorer last year playing with the those two guys. He hasn't played with them this year and he's been slumping.

Now the way I think is if he never plays on a line with Jagr and Nylander, is he still that 30 goal scorer? I say no, I say he's a 20 goal scorer which is nice but not great. 20 goal scorers are a dime a dozen in this league.

Now this is only assumptions, but if you get a consistent 20 goal scorer and put them with Nylander and Jagr. I say yea they pretty much can turn into a 30 goal scorer.

This doesn't take away the fact that Prucha is a good player and I still like him a lot cause he's a farm product. I just think you're making him into this great player which in fact he's just a nice player due to some prejudice because he's a Ranger.

Like I said earlier, if we can get Tucker for less then GREAT. I also mentioned him because I thought Tucker was signed for a couple of years and not a UFA at the end of the year. That obviously makes a big difference.

Also, the way Prucha is being treated. His value is only dropping fast (to his rookie year) because he's only getting 3rd-4th line shifts.

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Well if we can get him for less then great. I'm not going to propose silly trades like most people do where there team gives up scrubs while getting really good talent. I like Prucha A LOT but I also know you sometimes have to give up something to get something.
I'm not sure how much better Tucker makes this team.

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I also think you over value him because he's a Ranger. You're probably thinking he's a lot better then what he really is. MOST players playing on a line with jagr and Nylander will have improving stats. They will look a lot better then what they really are. Prucha was a 30 goal scorer last year playing with the those two guys. He hasn't played with them this year and he's been slumping.
I'm not opposed to dealing Prucha in the right situation. Getting a 32 year old guy who doesn't play full seasons is not the right situation.

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02-07-2007, 07:23 PM
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Uh huh. So this team is going to sign Drury, acquire and resign Tucker, resign Shanahan, sign Parros or Thornton. Got it.

Now about that salary cap...
Don't resign Nylander and others. Then again...I never did take salary into consideration. However...I still think it's possible...or at least something close to it.

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Don't resign Nylander and others. Then again...I never did take salary into consideration. However...I still think it's possible...or at least something close to it.
So you have the same void at 2nd line center. BTW, what "others" would you not resign?

Kind of hard to look at building or changing team and not take salary into consideration.

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So you have the same void at 2nd line center. BTW, what "others" would you not resign?

Kind of hard to look at building or changing team and not take salary into consideration.
You have a point and you caught me off-guard...but there is certainly room to bring in a Tucker. What other FA's do we have upcoming?

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To see that line i'd give up PRUCHA in a heart beat!
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What type of package would it take to get this guy? If we included Cullen, and Prucha, how much more would we have to include?

For some reason, I really want to see Avery-Tucker-Shanny on the same line.

I think that would give us two very solid lines. I'd hate to give up Prucha but you have to give up something to get something.
getting Avery should take the NYR out of the Tucker contest. That and I think Tucker is overrated, I don't trade for guys having a career year when heading into UFA--you will pay too much and in the end get very little

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Yeah let's get Tucker and then bring on Marchment! We could call it the dirty itches (with a B before the I).

Tucker maybe 4 years ago but now? What's the point? We already have Hollweg that just likes to hit things even if it takes him completely out of position, Avery who likes to yap and dive....oh I loved the comment that had something to the effect of "I still think the same, I'm just smart enough not to say it in front of you journalists"......Barnaby was one thing and it's bad enough that we have Purinton in our system still, we don't need any more dirty players.

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You have a point and you caught me off-guard...but there is certainly room to bring in a Tucker. What other FA's do we have upcoming?
You tell me, this is your master plan.

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