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02-06-2014, 10:22 AM
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If we are moving Gagner we better be getting more than Clifford a 4th line player and then if we have to retain salary. Even Clifford and their 1st is not fair value if you ask me. They are the team that is in a need not EDM. Toffoli and 1st for Gagner or else forget it.

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02-06-2014, 10:25 AM
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One thing about MacT... he seems to do deals in sets so I doubt he'd stop at just flipping Gagner for Clifford and sit still until summer. I bet there would be a chain of at least 1 or 2 more once that 1st trade went through.

Got to give him credit... it feels like he's done about half the trades this season in the NHL.
He does seem to do deals in two's so there is that as well. I would think that he'd be trying to know who is available and for what price. Say someone wants to move Brouwer for example and the asking price is a 1st round pick in the 15-25 range. MacT makes this deal while also locking in the Brouwer deal and suddenly the deal is Sam Gagner for Brouwer and Clifford. That's how you get things done.

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02-06-2014, 10:43 AM
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If we are moving Gagner we better be getting more than Clifford a 4th line player and then if we have to retain salary. Even Clifford and their 1st is not fair value if you ask me. They are the team that is in a need not EDM. Toffoli and 1st for Gagner or else forget it.
The Oilers are the most in need team in the league 5 years running.

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02-06-2014, 10:46 AM
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In regards to Hartnell/Souray, I was under the impression it was a done deal and then Souray broke his hand fighting Iginla, which skuttled the deal. It wasn't Tambo getting cold feet.
My understanding was that it was something that came up in the off-season when Souray first asked for a trade.

The thought was that fans probably wouldn't like it as Souray was a 23 goal scorer and a #1 d-man that year.

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02-06-2014, 11:51 AM
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My understanding was that it was something that came up in the off-season when Souray first asked for a trade.

The thought was that fans probably wouldn't like it as Souray was a 23 goal scorer and a #1 d-man that year.
Pretty sure Souray was as good as gone before he hurt himself. Do you really think ownership makes deals based on what the fans like/dislike? I sure as hell dont.

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Last season - 19-22-7
This season through 48 games - 15-28-5

That MacT sure improved the team. Maybe you're the one who knows nothing about hockey?

He made some good deals, but also made some bad decisions and the team is worse because of it.
I don't know who is to blame more between Tambo and Lowe but they put a team in place that plays the young players way over their heads and doesn't allow them to develop properly. They also couldn't figure out for the life on them on how to address the coaching situation. The mess is not going to be easy to fix, especially for the franchise that has enough against them as it is.

MacT was definitely not even close to being the best option to GM this team but that is how the Oilers do business under Lowe. It's a risk that with the state of this team we shouldn't be able to afford but criticizing and trying to compare him to Tambo after what? a year on the job, is god dam ridiculous.

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Gagner to LA for Clifford+ just doesn't make sense to me for either team.

Retaining salary beyond this year is the deal breaker for me. I also don't see Gagner as fit for LA, because when he isn't producing he is a useless player, and I just think Sutter would suck all of the offence out of him.

I think something like Hemsky (50%) for Clifford or Nolan would make more sense for both teams, tbh.

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02-06-2014, 07:28 PM
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Gagner looks like a damn fool out there right now. Just awful. Please just take Clifford and run.

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players > prospects >>>>>> picks

yes?

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02-06-2014, 09:18 PM
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players > prospects >>>>>> picks

yes?
I guess it depends on the player, prospect and the pick...

Oilers 1st > Nurse > Gagner

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02-07-2014, 12:16 AM
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Here's how I see the lineup going forward.

How do you guys think the holes should be filled?

XXX-RNH-Eberle
Hall-YYY-Yakupov
Perron-Gordon-ZZZ
Gaz-Hendricks-Pitlick
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02-07-2014, 12:19 AM
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Here's how I see the lineup going forward.

How do you guys think the holes should be filled?

XXX-RNH-Eberle
Hall-YYY-Yakupov
Perron-Gordon-ZZZ
Gaz-Hendricks-Pitlick
Jones

AAA-Schultz
Marincin-Petry
Ference-Nurse
Nurse better not be on his off side for bloody Ference. I'd be disappointed in our coach.

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02-07-2014, 12:21 AM
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I would much, much rather the Oilers trade Gagner for Foligno (Buffalo). I would do that trade straight up, probably.

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Nurse better not be on his off side for bloody Ference. I'd be disappointed in our coach.
Ference and Nurse looked great together in the preseason.

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02-07-2014, 12:24 AM
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Ference and Nurse looked great together in the preseason.
So did Joensuu and Kyle Platzer.

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02-07-2014, 12:25 AM
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So did Joensuu and Kyle Platzer.
Well, Joensuu Nurse and Ference likely won't make a good line together.

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02-07-2014, 12:28 AM
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Ference and Nurse looked great together in the preseason.
The veteran can move over for the rookie. Absolutely 0 reason to start a rookie on his off side. They utilize him properly or send him back imo.

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02-07-2014, 12:28 AM
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Here's how I see the lineup going forward.

How do you guys think the holes should be filled?

XXX-RNH-Eberle
Hall-YYY-Yakupov
Perron-Gordon-ZZZ
Gaz-Hendricks-Pitlick
Jones

AAA-Schultz
Marincin-Petry
Ference-Nurse
For next year, my realistic guess is:
XXX=Perron
YYY=1st round pick
Perron=Gagner returns
ZZZ=UFA
AAA=UFA

Although I wouldn't be surprised to see Gagner back for another kick at the can, either.

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02-07-2014, 01:01 AM
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Just wondering...

would you guys re-sign Corey Potter to a one year deal if it was like at 775K? I mean, I think he can fight Marincin and Fedun for the 6th or 7th spot next year, cause I see our D as this:

BLANK-Petry
BLANK-Ference
J.Schultz-BLANK
BLANK

and I can see a free agent stay at home, Potter, Fedun and Marincin (and Klefbom) having a good battle for those last two spots. I feel like one more veteran D to still try and fight for a spot would be nice. If not, he goes on waivers big deal. It's called depth.

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02-07-2014, 01:06 AM
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Well, Joensuu Nurse and Ference likely won't make a good line together.
I know the conversation was about positional strength, and I assumed that "going forward," you had meant next season. The point that was to be taken from that comment is that it was pre-season. Ference looked amazing, and is arguably one of our worst d-men this season. Nurse looked even better, but again, it was pre-season. If we're rushing a player like Nurse into the NHL next season, it only means that we have had a lot of problems in the previous off-season accumulating talent, and we should expect to find even worse problems as we go along.

How's about MacT does his job, and finds suitable NHL defensemen to play in those roles, as opposed to, you know, ruining prospects the ole'Oiler way.

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02-07-2014, 01:11 AM
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Just wondering...

would you guys re-sign Corey Potter to a one year deal if it was like at 775K? I mean, I think he can fight Marincin and Fedun for the 6th or 7th spot next year, cause I see our D as this:

BLANK-Petry
BLANK-Ference
J.Schultz-BLANK
BLANK

and I can see a free agent stay at home, Potter, Fedun and Marincin (and Klefbom) having a good battle for those last two spots. I feel like one more veteran D to still try and fight for a spot would be nice. If not, he goes on waivers big deal. It's called depth.
Ference's play this season he definitely should not be pegged as our 2nd pairing righty, seeing as how hes a lefty. He shouldn't be 2nd pairing at all. 3rd pairing should be his home.

JSchultz is definitely not our bottom pairing lefty either seeing as how he is a righty and should be 2nd pairing imo.

Fedun is waaay better than Potter.


To me it goes:

XXX - JSchultz
Marincin - YYY
Ference - Fedun
ZZZ

I'm mixed about Petry.

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02-07-2014, 01:13 AM
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Ference's play this season he definitely should not be pegged as our 2nd pairing righty, seeing as how hes a lefty. He shouldn't be 2nd pairing at all. 3rd pairing should be his home.

JSchultz is definitely not our bottom pairing lefty either seeing as how he is a righty and should be 2nd pairing imo.

Fedun is waaay better than Potter.


To me it goes:

XXX - JSchultz
Marincin - YYY
Ference - Fedun
ZZZ
Now, what handedness is Girardi, and how much will he cost?

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Now, what handedness is Girardi, and how much will he cost?
Righty and for 6 million I think there are superior cap friendly deals to be made. 6 is what he is rumored to be asking. I'd rather sign Callahan and deal Eberle for a Dman. But management loves the skill too much so they'll make do some other way.

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We need to call up Fedun and lose ties with Potter, N. Schultz and the like. It's about time you gave him his true shot at the NHL - not because of his story, but because he deserves it from his play in the A (and his play in his limited time here).

N. Schultz might actually net you something decent come trade deadline day - picks and prospects on a team with defenceman injuries (Boston, anyone?)

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We need to call up Fedun and lose ties with Potter, N. Schultz and the like. It's about time you gave him his true shot at the NHL - not because of his story, but because he deserves it from his play in the A (and his play in his limited time here).

N. Schultz might actually net you something decent come trade deadline day - picks and prospects on a team with defenceman injuries (Boston, anyone?)
I agree on Fedun. He's way past due. He was solid on his first call up and I think he's a fitting Dman to pair with Ference.

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