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02-07-2014, 03:43 PM
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Lowe brought Pronger, Visnovsky, Souray, Roloson, Gilbert, Hedja, Peca, Pitkanen, Glencross, Samsonov, Penner, to the Oilers between 2005-2008.

He wasn't that bad as a GM. He was stupid to let Glencross and Hejda walk.

I'm on the fence with Mac T, lets see how he does.

The Eakins hire and opting to go with Dubnyk/Labarbera were disastrous moves on Mac T's part. Rookie GM mistakes. Signing Gagner in the summer and not moving him when his value was at its highest is another mistake. He also apparently offered David Clarkson a dump truck full of cash, thank goodness we got bailed out of it.

The MPS for Perron swap was a very good one. The Hendricks deal was solid. Gordon was a decent signing.

Scrivens has been good though I suspect that was more on Mac T trying to bring in players familiar with Eakins (Scrivens, Fraser, etc.).

the one thing mact has done that no other GM here has done is recognized his mistakes and corrected them. the goalie issue was dealt with as soon as he could get improvement, now putting gagner on the block. garbagekov in the ahl, the only one he hasnt is eakins, which means he must see something that tells him that he is not a bust.

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02-07-2014, 03:47 PM
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Could the "guy in europe" be Bud Holloway? Plays in SHL and doesn't seem to have a future with the Kings. Good player, works hard and has put up great numbers in Sweden. Hasn't been as dominant this season but probably has middle six potential at the NHL level.

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02-07-2014, 03:55 PM
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Could the "guy in europe" be Bud Holloway? Plays in SHL and doesn't seem to have a future with the Kings. Good player, works hard and has put up great numbers in Sweden. Hasn't been as dominant this season but probably has middle six potential at the NHL level.
That's my guess.

If they aren't willing to give up a guy like Vey, they won't be giving up Prokhorkin and he's the only other guy in their organization over in Europe(unless Oscar Moller's rights still belong to them too, but I don't think so).

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That's my guess.

If they aren't willing to give up a guy like Vey, they won't be giving up Prokhorkin and he's the only other guy in their organization over in Europe(unless Oscar Moller's rights still belong to them too, but I don't think so).
They might view Vey as more valuable than Prokhorkin because of the Russian uncertainty factor, something the Oilers seem to be more comfortable with since drafting Yakupov.

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They might view Vey as more valuable than Prokhorkin because of the Russian uncertainty factor, something the Oilers seem to be more comfortable with since drafting Yakupov.
Prokhorkin has already signed and played in the AHL, but his team in Russia found a loophole to bring him back.

I don't think there's any doubt in him coming back over.

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Well are we reading too much into Stauffer's offhanded "Europe" comment though?

I mean was he just pondering or do you think he had some real insight when he made that comment?

Hard to know I suppose... but the fact he specifically mentioned Europe does somewhat seem like he might know "something" as most people would tend to concentrate on roster players and more "immediate" assets available in the here and now in NA.

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They might view Vey as more valuable than Prokhorkin because of the Russian uncertainty factor, something the Oilers seem to be more comfortable with since drafting Yakupov.
They better be comfortable after who they drafted this past year.

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Prokhorkin has already signed and played in the AHL, but his team in Russia found a loophole to bring him back.

I don't think there's any doubt in him coming back over.
It's more a case of when they can get him back. Their window is now so if they feel Vey and others who are in NA right now can provide more immediate tangible value to the roster, they might be willing to deal Prokhorkin.

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Prokhorkin-Yakimov-Slepyshev

Could be an interesting future line for the Oilers.

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Prokhorkin-Yakimov-Slepyshev

Could be an interesting future line for the Oilers.
I still think Gagner-Yakimov-Slepyshev would provide better production...

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That's my guess.

If they aren't willing to give up a guy like Vey, they won't be giving up Prokhorkin and he's the only other guy in their organization over in Europe(unless Oscar Moller's rights still belong to them too, but I don't think so).
I don't know that the Kings still own his rights

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Prokhorkin-Yakimov-Slepyshev

Could be an interesting future line for the Oilers.
A play-by-play man's nightmare in the making

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It's more a case of when they can get him back. Their window is now so if they feel Vey and others who are in NA right now can provide more immediate tangible value to the roster, they might be willing to deal Prokhorkin.
I guess.

I wouldn't devalue a prospect because he's 1.5 seasons from contributing since that's the case for lots of them.

Having a player like him joining the team in a couple years could be the difference between a short retool or a full blown rebuild.

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I don't know that the Kings still own his rights
He's listed as a Kings prospect on their website.

As is Moller, so I guess he's a possibility too.

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the one thing mact has done that no other GM here has done is recognized his mistakes and corrected them. the goalie issue was dealt with as soon as he could get improvement, now putting gagner on the block. garbagekov in the ahl, the only one he hasnt is eakins, which means he must see something that tells him that he is not a bust.
hmmm. solid point.

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Wow. Plan the parade Bruins.
They don't have to, the route's well planned and well travelled.

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We've been linked to Coburn and L. Schenn in the recent past. That's a very heavy contingent of Flyers higher ups scouting the two teams NHL rosters.

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the one thing mact has done that no other GM here has done is recognized his mistakes and corrected them. the goalie issue was dealt with as soon as he could get improvement, now putting gagner on the block. garbagekov in the ahl, the only one he hasnt is eakins, which means he must see something that tells him that he is not a bust.
You cannot make as many errors as he has made and come out smelling like a rose. There is zero chance he would dump Eakins so quick. A four year contract alone would be a killer and he would look very very stupid for doing so.

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They don't have to, the route's well planned and well travelled.

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We've been linked to Coburn and L. Schenn in the recent past. That's a very heavy contingent of Flyers higher ups scouting the two teams NHL rosters.
its clear that giroux's value has dropped since he got double snubbed for the olympic team,

giroux for gagner and hemsky

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You cannot make as many errors as he has made and come out smelling like a rose. There is zero chance he would dump Eakins so quick. A four year contract alone would be a killer and he would look very very stupid for doing so.
or maybe he knows eakins is a can but doesnt have a suitable replacement so he is waiting on someone to get canned after under-performing in the playoffs.

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its clear that giroux's value has dropped since he got double snubbed for the olympic team,

giroux for gagner and hemsky
I would actually do Giroux for Eberle, not saying they would, Giroux is their heart and soul so they aren't moving him.

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He's listed as a Kings prospect on their website.
Kings fans are eagerly awaiting Prohorkin's return for the 2014-2015 season, when he gets out of his KHL contract. We've been missing 1st round picks because of trades in the past few years (Tanner Pearson excepted) so we need to hold on to what top-end prospects we have.

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I'm guessing that DL was going into this thinking he was still dealing with Tambolini.

Good on Mactavish for standing his ground.

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Is there any reason to believe this guy would supplant Hall, or Perron? If not then what's the point? He doesn't make our team better now, or in the foreseeable future.

Clifford and Prokhorkin would be an awful return, and there is just no way we could be asked to hold money on top of that. It has to be something better than that, or why is Mact even listening?

I just don't understand this.
Why would he have to supplant Hall or Perron? Let him play on the third line behind those guys. If they could get him over here next season, and sign say David Moss, a third line of Prokhorkin-Gordon-Moss could be very good. Prokhorkin is 6-2, 200lbs and likes to play a physical game.

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Holmgren, Hextall, and the Flyers head pro scout all at the game.

I'm guessing they're not there to scout Devils players.....

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