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02-07-2007, 12:00 PM
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Petersen on the PP is just pure lunacy. As I said in another post, you may as well call up Schremp and play him on the PK if you're going to play Toby on the PP. Both make about the same ammount of sense.
You call up Schremp, you play him for ten games, and you burn a year of his RFA status. Not a good year, when he's older, but a development year.

Doesn't make as much sense as using a utility PB guy to cover for a short term injury.

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02-07-2007, 12:03 PM
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You call up Schremp, you play him for ten games, and you burn a year of his RFA status. Not a good year, when he's older, but a development year.

Doesn't make as much sense as using a utility PB guy to cover for a short term injury.
He's in the AHL, so this year already counts as a year of service. That rule is only if the player is in Junior. Play him 0 games or 80 games, it counts the same as long as he's in the ECHL or AHL.

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02-07-2007, 12:12 PM
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He's in the AHL, so this year already counts as a year of service. That rule is only if the player is in Junior. Play him 0 games or 80 games, it counts the same as long as he's in the ECHL or AHL.
Still - calling him up, and watching him lose pucks and the play dying with him (as has happened this year in the AHL) will improve the Oilers play how?

Right now, the Oil have a developing asset in Schremp. Bring him up too soon, he plays poorly, and you've just blown any value you could get out of him.

Is it worth it to remove pressbox utility player from playing in ten games?

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02-07-2007, 12:25 PM
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Peterson is a fine 13/14th fwd. MacT using him as top 6 is our problem. Also, great to see him still out on the point for the #1 PP. :

Seriously, does Peterson have pictures of MacT or something? How does he get 100 million chances, no matter how little he does.

I have never been in favour of dumping MacT, but I am really getting there. He has made bad decisions all year (admittedly with little to work with). Call up MAP and staple Peterson to either the 4th line or the PB for the rest of the year. No exceptions. No "he played well this shift so I gave him 25min" quotes from MacT about him. Peterson is NOT A TOP 6 NHL PLAYER!!!! HE ISN'T EVEN CLOSE!

Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky
Torres - MAP - Lupul
Sykora - Reasoner - Pisani
Peterson - Nedved - Stortini

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02-07-2007, 12:38 PM
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Peterson is a fine 13/14th fwd. MacT using him as top 6 is our problem. Also, great to see him still out on the point for the #1 PP. :

Seriously, does Peterson have pictures of MacT or something? How does he get 100 million chances, no matter how little he does.

I have never been in favour of dumping MacT, but I am really getting there. He has made bad decisions all year (admittedly with little to work with). Call up MAP and staple Peterson to either the 4th line or the PB for the rest of the year. No exceptions. No "he played well this shift so I gave him 25min" quotes from MacT about him. Peterson is NOT A TOP 6 NHL PLAYER!!!! HE ISN'T EVEN CLOSE!

Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky
Torres - MAP - Lupul
Sykora - Reasoner - Pisani
Peterson - Nedved - Stortini
With the way the team has played, is it a good idea to put a player like MAP in a position where he might not be able to succeed? You put him with our most inconsistant player (Torres), and the player who's been the biggest disappointment of the season (Lupul), and in a role that requires him to produce, and during a key part of the season.

That's a hell of a lot to go wrong, and if the Oilers are serious about trying to get into the playoffs, it's not a situation that they can afford to do right now.

If guys like Lupul were doing what they were brought in to do, and guys like Stoll and Moreau weren't hurt, it would open up different options for the team. Unfortunately, that is not the case, and unless people are willing to give up on the season, we need someone in the lineup who can play "the safe way", and at least not be out there for a goal against.

At this point in time, 0 - 0 is a good thing... as sad as that is.

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02-07-2007, 01:01 PM
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Peterson is a fine 13/14th fwd. MacT using him as top 6 is our problem. Also, great to see him still out on the point for the #1 PP. :

Seriously, does Peterson have pictures of MacT or something? How does he get 100 million chances, no matter how little he does.

I have never been in favour of dumping MacT, but I am really getting there. He has made bad decisions all year (admittedly with little to work with). Call up MAP and staple Peterson to either the 4th line or the PB for the rest of the year. No exceptions. No "he played well this shift so I gave him 25min" quotes from MacT about him. Peterson is NOT A TOP 6 NHL PLAYER!!!! HE ISN'T EVEN CLOSE!

Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky
Torres - MAP - Lupul
Sykora - Reasoner - Pisani
Peterson - Nedved - Stortini

Great post, I agree 100 percent.

Toby won't cost us the game, and he doesn't hurt us but he won't win us any games either. Toby is AHL/13th forward.. when he plays 15-20 minutes a night against top 6or top 9 forwards he obviously isn't going to have success. I think everyone knows that the average top 6-9 forward in the NHL is >>>> AHL player/13th forward. I don't understand why MacT doesn't understand it. We have offensive depth why are we not using it? We only need defensive players if we are going to play a defensive system. If MacT was the coach of the Colt's he would limit Manning to 10 passes a game in fear of being intercepted. He is just to defensive oriented. We have a team built to win 5-4 games but I'm not sure Mac is the coach we need anymore.

Toby Petersen on the PP makes as much sense as Lupul on the PK. Your main goal on a PP is to score a goal. What is MACT smoking that lead him to believe that Toby can contribute on the PP. Tobys stats say it all. Just as they say Lupul and Nedved belong nowhere near the PK, Toby belongs nowhere near the PP.

Atleast Schremp has a shot. He could actually score a goal on the PP from the point. Toby has a 85 mph slapshot, and has no hockey sense... what the hell is he doing on the PP?

I have watched over 20 w/b games this year and I have said Schremp isn't close to ready..but saying that he is still 100 % a better option on the PP than Toby. 1 PP goal can win you the game, 1 point can can put you in the playoffs. Can we really afford to have Toby and his non production on the PP? Can we really afford to have Lupul on the PK?

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02-07-2007, 01:05 PM
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With the way the team has played, is it a good idea to put a player like MAP in a position where he might not be able to succeed? You put him with our most inconsistant player (Torres), and the player who's been the biggest disappointment of the season (Lupul), and in a role that requires him to produce, and during a key part of the season.

That's a hell of a lot to go wrong, and if the Oilers are serious about trying to get into the playoffs, it's not a situation that they can afford to do right now.

If guys like Lupul were doing what they were brought in to do, and guys like Stoll and Moreau weren't hurt, it would open up different options for the team. Unfortunately, that is not the case, and unless people are willing to give up on the season, we need someone in the lineup who can play "the safe way", and at least not be out there for a goal against.

At this point in time, 0 - 0 is a good thing... as sad as that is.
Does it really make a difference if Torres and Lupul are not scoring with MAP instead of with Peterson or Nedved? And at least MAP has potential and skill. T&L can't score any less then they are doing, so nowhere to go but up.

And honestly, even if they suck defensively and get scored on 10 times in the first game, at least MacT would have tried something new. Cause repeating the same thing, every game isn't working. And I have said it all year, if we aren't a playoff team then I want to finish as low as possible.

So frankly, playing Peterson to grind out 0-0 games (which still won't work as Peterson isn't good defensively, he just isn't bad) has zero appeal to me. All that means is we'll finish 10-15th again and get another average pick.

So, seeing as how I don't see Peterson as that big a defensive part of the team, I just don't think his loss will cripple us in any way DB


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02-07-2007, 01:15 PM
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For the record, I cannot stand to see Toby Petersen line up for the Oilers. It's not him, really... but anytime you have that kind of AHL player lining up regularly for your squad, you know something is wrong.

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02-07-2007, 02:37 PM
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Does it really make a difference if Torres and Lupul are not scoring with MAP instead of with Peterson or Nedved? And at least MAP has potential and skill. T&L can't score any less then they are doing, so nowhere to go but up.
When it comes to the development of young players, it could make a difference. MAP has already struggled in his time up here, putting him in a position of even more pressure (and fans were already slagging on him in a limited role) runs the risk of demolishing his confidence.

Swap Petersen with MAP, and you'd probably be getting "Marc-Antoine Pouliot sucks" threads. Heck, if I looked down a bit, I'd probably be able to find one.

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