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02-08-2007, 12:36 AM
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Did you hear that anywhere or is that just what you think is going down?
http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=195229&hubname=nhl


"It's really more of an administrative thing for us right now with our numbers with everybody back healthy," Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford told The Canadian Press on Wednesday. "Anton is just kind of set back by it because he played very well. He's just taking a couple of days to think about it. But by league rules this is something we have to do."

I have never seen a GM word his response so carefully when suspending a guy.

Over the years I have a lot of players suspended and always the GM sort of bats the guy around in the media for not being a team player---But Rutherford says it due to this and that--Babchuck will back in 48 to 72 hours--Canes are working on something

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I see what you are saying, but it is also possible that Anton overreacted and the Canes position is to let it ride because they have something to fix it in the works and they actually agree that he shouldnt have to go down.

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I see what you are saying, but it is also possible that Anton overreacted and the Canes position is to let it ride because they have something to fix it in the works and they actually agree that he shouldnt have to go down.
But then doesn't this open up a can of worms (if that really is the case) for future young studs? Don't report, and if we really like you, well we will accomadate you type of thing?

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But then doesn't this open up a can of worms (if that really is the case) for future young studs? Don't report, and if we really like you, well we will accomadate you type of thing?
As unique of a situation as this is, i'm not sure really if it's going to crop up again in this context with the current batch of players we have. My only question mark about that theory is that why would Anton Babchuk and his agent take this undue amount of heat that they're taking around the league for pulling this off unless it was legitimate. Babchuk's agent doesn't give two rat's behinds about the situation in Carolina, his primary concern is Babchuk and his earning power. Being a question mark in character and having a blemish on your record like this hurts Babchuk's future earning power unless Rutherford has already talked extension with Babchuk and his agent and promised to compensate him fairly if he were to go along with this. It sounds a little strange. Too strange to be true.

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02-08-2007, 01:15 PM
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I didn't talk Lupul. I was talking about Matt Greene. I think Lupul would command a bit more than Babchuk in return. I think Dave would agree.

First of all, Chicago didn't give up on Babchuk. They have and still do have an absolute glut of young defensemen.

Cam Barker
Brent Seabrook
Duncan Keith
Lasse Kukkonen
James Wisniewski
Jim Vandermeer

Right there is a decent Top 6 and they're all pretty young players. Chicago needed scoring and needed a straight up offensive minded defenseman. Enter Carolina with Radim Vrbata and Danny Richmond and the trigger was pulled.

As for Babchuk not being good enough to make this team, that's obviously false. He's played in almost every game of the season so far and has been one of our more consistant defensemen already at just 22 years old. The reason he was sent down is because we have 10 defensemen on our roster and only one was able to go down without having to clear waivers. Carolina wanted to showcase David Tanabe and Andrew Hutchinson for possible deals and I can assure you that Babchuk would have been down a week at most until he was called back up. He's a key piece to what Carolina is trying to do.

Just because a player fails to report doesn't make his trade value non-existent. I still feel he's a better player and prospect than Matt Greene, but wouldn't be heartbroken if the deal had to go down that way.
Fair enough but i would have to say that Greene has the edge over Babs. Do not get me wrong i think he is a nice player and i think you robbed him from Chicago, but Greene is domminant physically and extremly relaible on the back end and he is what 22 or 23? I think that failing to report makes his trade value alot lower than before. Now i hear the other post where you guys think that something was worked out to sit him for a bit but i dont think its fair to say oh he is an amazing dman because you dont see teams sitting there top dman just to get lesser players ice time.

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Fair enough but i would have to say that Greene has the edge over Babs. Do not get me wrong i think he is a nice player and i think you robbed him from Chicago, but Greene is domminant physically and extremly relaible on the back end and he is what 22 or 23? I think that failing to report makes his trade value alot lower than before. Now i hear the other post where you guys think that something was worked out to sit him for a bit but i dont think its fair to say oh he is an amazing dman because you dont see teams sitting there top dman just to get lesser players ice time.
he's by no meens our top guy though. Earlier this season he was solidly in the top 4, but as of right now he has at least Commodore, Hedican, Gleason ahead of him with a defensively reilable PP catalyst in Kaberle getting back to 100%. I have no problem having a shut-down guy like Wallin getting ice time over him. He has the top PPG against number in the league of all defensemen this season at just over 2 right now. So basically they're showcasing Tanabe for trade right now and Babchuk will slide back into his place in the rotation once something happens. It's not a top 4 spot right now, but I'd definitely take Babchuk-Wallin as our 3rd pairing over Tanabe-Wallin.

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I didn't talk Lupul. I was talking about Matt Greene. I think Lupul would command a bit more than Babchuk in return. I think Dave would agree.
agreed entirely. While there is no doubt that Lupul is having a rough year, Babchuk alone would not bring him to Raleigh. Obviously a spare part like Tanabe or Hutch wouldn't help in that matter either. I'd like to see Thoresen coming back in the deal as well, which leads me to believe that it would likely be a deal along the lines of Babchuk + 2nd for Lupul and Thoresen, and even that might not get it done.

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agreed entirely. While there is no doubt that Lupul is having a rough year, Babchuk alone would not bring him to Raleigh. Obviously a spare part like Tanabe or Hutch wouldn't help in that matter either. I'd like to see Thoresen coming back in the deal as well, which leads me to believe that it would likely be a deal along the lines of Babchuk + 2nd for Lupul and Thoresen, and even that might not get it done.
Your not getting Lupul for anything less than a top young dman, Babchuk is not that. For him it is going to be more like Thoresen and 3rd for Babchuk. Thats it. I promise you that is the value he has and your better off keeping him hopeing he reaches his potential.

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