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02-07-2007, 04:36 PM
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[QUOTE;7956981]You know what just stop because now you're bordering on plain silly.

If you think Avery is a ***** than so be it, but the one thing you can't take away from the guy is that he busts his ass out there. He gives his shots and he takes them.[/QUOTE]

I must agree I dont thik Avery is anywhere near a punk and gives um as well as he takes um, great pick up by NYR I love seeing the kid here, thats me though. i was hyped when i heard of the trade.

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02-07-2007, 04:41 PM
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I think you guys are overreacting a bit to Hollweg sitting last night and the Toronto game. Hollweg sat last night because Renney wanted the stronger fighter in the game to counter Jansen. He sat in Toronto because he was visably tired the game before that.

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02-07-2007, 05:52 PM
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Yep. Like I said before. Hollweg blows. See what a difference a guy makes when he actually has OFFENSIVE ability along with being able to provide a certain role. For 2 years now, all Renney has done is put crap out on the 3rd and 4th lines that can't produce offensively. We aren't a team with 2 huge scoring lines. We need our 3rd line to score and 4th line to chip in. That is how we drafted. To build a team with a ton of depth. Betts stinks as well. Spare me that faceoff garbage. He's lousy. Hossa is terrible. Hollweg, Hossa and Betts all need to go. Now....
Whoa whoa hold on sec. While I have doubts Hollweg can become a player we hoped (aka a Barnaby clone) I don't think he is lousy either.

The reality is he a 4th line winger who plays like a 4th line winger. He brings energy, checks and can wear a team down. That's fine for the fourth line. Obviously it's not enough if he wants to be more than that, but as far as 4th lines go Hollweg/Hossa/Betts bring something to the table.

The problem is this team is so desperate for scoring from its second and third lines that now the expectation has become that the 4th line needs to generate offense as well.

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02-07-2007, 06:04 PM
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and have gone back and forth on Hollweg, but I did see more offense last season, and more hitting this season. If he can put some of the offensive potential from last season with the hitting from this season, he wouldn't be half bad. He's still pretty young, so I'm not giving up hope, but like I've said throughout the season, I'm not sure I want to see him out there more than 5-7 minutes per game at this point.
For me the concern is that there hasn't been much at the pro level at all.

Hollweg is certainly still young enough, but at this point is 24 and really hasn't shown much of any scoring touch at the NHL level.

So part of me has to wonder if even last year's production was another guy playing better than he normally would or if it's realistic that he can get back to that or beyond.

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02-07-2007, 06:31 PM
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chemistry onthe 4th line has been a missing element all season. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. Ortmeyer missed over half the season, Moore was gone, so the 4th line lacked definition unlike last year. Our 4th line dominated the game when they were on the ice most of last year. This year they have ben invisible and have had klittle impact on games compared to last year.

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02-07-2007, 06:40 PM
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Hollwegs role on the team should be 4th liner only, as with Betts and Hossa. Renney has consistantly moved these guys all season into positions that they were never ment/able to play in, let alone succed at. The other problem is, guys like Cullen, Hall, now Krog and others, are misused also, and it puts a strain on the whole team, and no lines except the 1st is really correct. Add in Orr, like last night, and Renney can't roll 4 lines like he's supposed to. With less than 30 games left in the season, Renney's still playing musical lines, and expecting players to do well and perform, totally out of place/position.

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02-07-2007, 07:23 PM
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I don't know.

I don't think Sean Avery replaces him.

I also think it depends on what the Rangers want out of their 4th line.

Callahan, ideally should be a third liner same with Avery.

Unless they're planning on using Hollweg on that line the only thing I can see knocking Hollweg out of his spot is the another 4th liner.
I tend to agree with this, but I admit I'm biased as Hollweg is still a favorite of mine.

I can't say with any certain knowledge but I think Management still believes in Hollweg. He's had a tough, tough year but he still can hit like few in the league can or will anymore. He's a very rare tough guy with tremendous heart who the Ranger's have brought through the ranks and I think they are willing to give him more time.

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02-07-2007, 07:41 PM
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Orr-Hollweg-Avery should all be playing. Krog should be the odd man out

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02-07-2007, 07:45 PM
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I tend to agree with this, but I admit I'm biased as Hollweg is still a favorite of mine.

I can't say with any certain knowledge but I think Management still believes in Hollweg. He's had a tough, tough year but he still can hit like few in the league can or will anymore. He's a very rare tough guy with tremendous heart who the Ranger's have brought through the ranks and I think they are willing to give him more time.
I personally don't think they've soured on him. But I do think the hope that he becomes more than a 4th liner is begining to fade.

Hollweg is going to fall into the same boat as Betts and Ortmeyer. There's so certainly no need to replace them, but they're limitations are going to lead to them being challanged IF the Rangers actually have some kids develop.

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02-07-2007, 09:32 PM
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If any team I would think the Kings would dig Hollywood Hollweg...

I think he's a keeper....for now

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02-07-2007, 09:59 PM
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I see Hollweg as kind of the inspiration for acquiring Avery...kind of the player that this team needs more of (albeit with a better honed scoring touch).

Once he takes his rightful spot alongside Blair Betts and Ortmeyer, I think we'll start seeing a fourth line capable of taking regular shifts

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02-07-2007, 11:27 PM
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"rightful spot"...

this should not go un-noticed. HBO should have been the fourth line the day Orts came back. Probably the best line in the Devils debacle last spring.

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Avery >>> Hollweg >>> Orr. Colt45 is the extra weight in this picture. What's the problem?

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02-08-2007, 03:20 AM
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A successful team needs all types of character. Soft guys, normal guys, tough guys ect. Looking at our times "dynastys" they all have had that mix (Detroit with characterstypes from Larionov to Kocur, NJD with Brylin/Zelepukin to Daneyko/Mckay ect.).

I don't think its perfect to have a team were all players have "perfect" attitude, you need a few extremes.

What do this have to do with Hollweg? I don't belive Hollweg were in great shape gooing into this season. He looks heavier then he did last season, have lost a step in his skating, simply put he looks a bit sluggish. There were also a incident in the summer that made it to the press, you can't help to think about that thing about fire and smoke. Though, I see that as more of a natrual downside when it comes to players with Hollweg's character.

Right now it seems like Hollweg could use a Ortmayer break, a few month to only work on his skating and stickhandling. Though he won't get that. He needs to really devote himself this summer.

And if he does that, he is one of the depth player I want to hang onto, there are three of them, Orts, Hollweg and Betts. I am a bit uncertain about Hossa, though in the end I would like to see him goo in a trade.

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02-08-2007, 08:09 AM
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Renney doesn't play Holwegg half as much this year as he did last. I can't remember him being on the ice once during the devil game.

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02-08-2007, 04:11 PM
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Well he'll be in there Friday...and I bet you'll see all 3 tough guys Saturday

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Orr-Hollweg-Avery should all be playing. Krog should be the odd man out
Krog is not an NHL player and neither is Hollweg. He's a complete loser. It's about time Rangers fans stop accepting rejects like Hollweg and realize that management has created a deep and talented farm system. It's time management and moron Renney use it.

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02-08-2007, 04:36 PM
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Krog is not an NHL player and neither is Hollweg. He's a complete loser. It's about time Rangers fans stop accepting rejects like Hollweg and realize that management has created a deep and talented farm system. It's time management and moron Renney use it.
Hollweg is a loser and a reject? You know why don't you describe what you mean rather than just calling him childish names. Krog I agree with you is nut...but Hollweg is a terrific 4th liner. Doesn't back down from anyone....finishes all checks hard...provides a spark and energy.

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Krog is not an NHL player and neither is Hollweg. He's a complete loser. It's about time Rangers fans stop accepting rejects like Hollweg and realize that management has created a deep and talented farm system. It's time management and moron Renney use it.
hahahahaahaha...

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More Hollweg and Avery

Hollweg is going no where. In fact, we need more protection for Prucha, Tyutin, Jagr and current and future youth.. If not, someone is going to get hurt...
The addition of Avery leaves the Rangers with plenty of room for rugged grind it out players...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=195416&hubname=nhl

Just refence this article to see a true porn star

Eat another donutboy


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Hollweg is what he is right now, a 4th liner.

I think you can argue he's no more than that, but I also think you have make realistic expectations for a 4th liner.

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I had actually thought that Hollweg was younger (though more like 23, not about to be 24).

I've had my criticisms of him all season - but it seems as though he's going out there to just play physical, try to take less penalties, and that's it. He definitely has the skill to be a fourth liner (I've had my doubts about being a third liner). I dunno. I just want to blame Renney for everything these days because I see guys actually getting worse under him than better, and it's my immediate reaction.

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02-08-2007, 07:28 PM
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In the right situation Hollweg is a key player, a 4th line player that does everything but score and kills a masive amount of penaltys. Kind of like last year!

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Krog is not an NHL player and neither is Hollweg. He's a complete loser. It's about time Rangers fans stop accepting rejects like Hollweg and realize that management has created a deep and talented farm system. It's time management and moron Renney use it.
you must be kidding?

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I've seen daylight from Hollweg, he really just needs confidence, he can skate, pass, and shoot, its just as soon as he gets the puck, he gets rid of right away when he should skate with it a little more. Hollweg is better than Orr hands down, and put with the right guys and minutes, I think he puts a least 5-7 in a season.

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