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02-10-2014, 11:40 PM
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Stauffer, from earlier today

"The Oilers have 9 unrestricted free agents, minimum 3 of them will be moved by the deadline, maybe 4-5 overall"
Hemsky, Bryzgalov, Nick Schultz, and maybe Belov are my guesses on who's out. I see Hemsky going to the Sens or Carolina. Could see him fetching a 2nd and b level prospect like Derek Grant or Brock Mcginn. Bryzgalov makes sense to Washington straight up for Neuvirth. Gives Washington a little bit of stabilty in net. Who knows where the other two go I'm guessing 3rd/ or 4th rounders for either d man.


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If Gagner goes to the Kings go for Forbort, Toffolli or Vey +

Same division.

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02-10-2014, 11:42 PM
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My guess would be -

N. Schultz - traded at the deadline
Hemsky- traded at the deadline
Jones - traded/not signed
Belov - traded at the deadline/possibly re-signed
Potter - traded/not signed
Fraser - not signed
Smyth - traded at the deadline
Bryzgalov - traded at the deadline
Scrivens - re-signed
Smyth won't be traded.

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My guess would be -

N. Schultz - traded at the deadline
Hemsky- traded at the deadline
Jones - traded/not signed
Belov - traded at the deadline/possibly re-signed
Potter - traded/not signed
Fraser - not signed
Smyth - traded at the deadline
Bryzgalov - traded at the deadline
Scrivens - re-signed
Smyth traded? Lol. I think he goes "happy trails" when he leaves Edm.

I'm pretty sure Scrivens is a ufa, and he's worth a lot right now to a playoff team. If the Oilers aren't certain they can re-sign him they had better pull the trigger on a deal.

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02-10-2014, 11:44 PM
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My guess would be -

N. Schultz - traded at the deadline
Hemsky- traded at the deadline
Jones - traded/not signed
Belov - traded at the deadline/possibly re-signed
Potter - traded/not signed
Fraser - not signed
Smyth - traded at the deadline
Bryzgalov - traded at the deadline
Scrivens - re-signed
N. Schultz- 2nd
Hemsky- B prospect if no salary retained... other wise prospect + 3rd
Smyth- C prospect/3rd rounder
Potter- 5th rounder

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02-10-2014, 11:46 PM
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If Gagner goes to the Kings go for Forbort, Toffolli or Vey +

Same division.
We don't need prospects... I think theres a good chance that if the Gagner deal goes through were getting Clifford+Muzzin with us retaining salary this year for Gagner.

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02-10-2014, 11:59 PM
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Smyth won't be traded.
TSN has said they might move him to a contender for one last shot at the cup.

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So did nothing happen with the Brodeur thinger?

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Several media outlets have mentioned Smyth could be traded at the deadline. I think there's a whack of players that could go and given how bad the season has been why wouldn't the Oil be open for business.

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TSN has said they might move him to a contender for one last shot at the cup.
I think its very doubtful. It would obviously have to go by him, and I dunno if it would be worth it for him to move away from his wife and kids for 4 months just to play 4th line and MAYBE get a shot at the cup.

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02-11-2014, 12:48 AM
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The time to trade Hemsky was 2 years ago. Sadly, he is worth more to us on the roster than as a third round pick. Hemsky will re sign for fairly cheap.

We basically can't afford to trade him.

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02-11-2014, 01:02 AM
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The time to trade Hemsky was 2 years ago. Sadly, he is worth more to us on the roster than as a third round pick. Hemsky will re sign for fairly cheap.

We basically can't afford to trade him.
I don't see him resigning here unless we overpay again and even then to be honest. It's not that he has any bad feelings to the organization, it's just he's 30 now and I think he would prefer to move on to a team that is a lock for a playoff berth at this stage of his career.

We've wasted most of his prime years on this "rebuild". And the fact is, he's just getting in the way of Yakupov's development the longer he stays here.

If a 3rd is all you can get for him, you take it and wish him the best. We open up $5 million in cap room in the summer too.

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02-11-2014, 01:03 AM
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assuming the Muzzin + Clifford return for Gags...

Hall RNH Yakupov
Perron Arcobello Eberle
Hendricks Gordon Pitlick
Clifford Lander Gazdic
Joensuu

Muzzin Schultz
Marincin Petry
Ference Klefbom/Fedun
Fraser

Scrivens
Bachman (Broissoit called up to OKC)

I'm just assuming that in true fire-sale fashion, we will be a true bargain bin, getting a bunch of picks and prospects. And they won't be that great...

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I don't see him resigning here unless we overpay again and even then to be honest. It's not that he has any bad feelings to the organization, it's just he's 30 now and I think he would prefer to move on to a team that is a lock for a playoff berth at this stage of his career.

We've wasted most of his prime years on this "rebuild". And the fact is, he's just getting in the way of Yakupov's development the longer he stays here.

If a 3rd is all you can get for him, you take it and wish him the best. We open up $5 million in cap room in the summer too.
I completely agree. It's like the Smid trade. The best part of that trade wasn't the return. It was the cap space we got back, and also the roster spot that opened up allowing Marincin to step in.

Players leave teams all the time. It's nothing to obsess over. If the player isn't part of the future here, get rid of them. End of story. Spend time to maximize return, but don't risk flubbing the deal.

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02-11-2014, 01:09 AM
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I tend to agree that Hemsky won't move unless a 2nd round pick is the return, even then, why bother. Sign him for two more years at 3M is the better option.

Also, I think Smyth could move to Toronto, San Jose, St.Louis or Pittsburgh. St. Louis could use him and Hitch would know his game well. Would you rather go into the playoffs with Smyth or Paajarvi on your 4th line?

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If we were moving 3 minimum of our free agents (UFAs), I'd hope it's:

Jones, Nick Schultz, Fraser

and if we needed to add two more to go to 4-5

Bryzgalov, Belov

I'd rather have Hemsky, Potter, Scrivens, and Smyth be the UFAs who aren't moved.

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02-11-2014, 01:15 AM
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The time to trade Hemsky was 2 years ago. Sadly, he is worth more to us on the roster than as a third round pick. Hemsky will re sign for fairly cheap.

We basically can't afford to trade him.
Nor should we even consider bringing him back... unless he is signing for $1M or below... he is so limited in what he brings... cannot switch wings... can not play C... is not a grinder... can not PK... he would be a power play specialist at this point of his career and even then we have four better wingers (Hall Perron Eberle Yak)... no it is time to say good bye to that train as it has left the station:

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-?-Yakupov
Hendricks-Gordon-? (big physical winger)
UFA-Arcobello/UFA-UFA
Gazdic Joensuu

Odds are Hemmer goes to an OTT or BUF or even Calgary (yuck)... or he could just take an offer back home... point is he no longer fits here and has not really since 2012.

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I think its very doubtful. It would obviously have to go by him, and I dunno if it would be worth it for him to move away from his wife and kids for 4 months just to play 4th line and MAYBE get a shot at the cup.
I don't think he has a choice in the matter.

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Stauffer also suggested that the Oil will attempt to get a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder by deadline day. He suggested that we could get these by

1) Retaining half of Hemsky's salary, which could even get us a late 1st rounder

2) Trading Ryan Jones, retaining half of his salary, for a 3rd rounder

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02-11-2014, 02:28 AM
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I don't think he has a choice in the matter.
He could choose not to report and just loses whatever is left on his contract. Also its not like were going to be getting a 1st or 2nd for Smyth, it'd be a 4th-6th round pick. Personally the guy is most likely retiring at the end of the season I say give him the choice if he wants to retire an Oiler or not. I think that he's at least earned that.

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Clifford my ass. If LA wants Gagner the converstaion needs to revolve around Mike Richards.
Gagner my ass. If Edmonton wants Richards the conversation needs to revolve around Jordan Eberle.

I'd do it.

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Gagner my ass. If Edmonton wants Richards the conversation needs to revolve around Jordan Eberle.

I'd do it.
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I'm under the belief the Oilers have already made a trade, but will obviously have to wait for the end of the freeze to announce it.

"I wonder, ohhhh I wonder, if the Edmonton Oilers lineup will look the same when we get back" - Bob Stauffer today

I'd be willing to make an aviater bet. It's clearly not Gagner as he stated why it would be smarter to move him in the offseason.

He said he could see as many as 4 or 5 UFA's leaving by the deadline, and seemed sure about 3.

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I'm serious from the point of view that I'm not chatting with them about trading Sam for some parts that the Oil may or may not develop into nhl'ers, or even for some super duper awesome magic beans. That's crap.

There's no saying that we just have to deal with the Kings, and if they want to do a deal then they can be the ones taking spare parts. The Oilers have until next season to win their next game. The Kings need to win in the playoffs. **** 'em.
You are trading Gagner to restructure the Oilers. This means you will almost surely get a less skilled player who fits a role. If they offered someone like Clifford of course you would hope for more. But no team will give you a roster player who can match his skill level but also bring those things that are missing in his game.

LA is actually a very good fit for Gagner as they have the type of forward that can complement his game and they need scoring. If the return was something like Clifford and Zykov I'd be thrilled. Clifford + Muzzin seems like a pipe dream to me, at least without the Oilers adding something.

Any trade with any team that would bring back someone comparable to Richards is not going to see Gagner as the core piece from the Oilers.


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You are trading Gagner to restructure the Oilers. This means you will almost surely get a less skilled player who fits a role. If they offered someone like Clifford of course you would hope for more. But no team will give you a roster player who can match his skill level but also bring those things that are missing in his game.

LA is actually a very good fit for Gagner as they have the type of forward that can complement his game and they need scoring. If the return was something like Clifford and Zykov I'd be thrilled. Clifford + Muzzin seems like a pipe dream to me, at least without the Oilers adding something.

Any trade with any team that would bring back someone comparable to Richards is not going to see Gagner as the core piece from the Oilers.
Agreed, coming from a "Gagner Supporter", Gagner for Clifford isn't as bad of a trade.

Clifford is a bottom 6 player with size and grit. I would do this deal.

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