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Leafs Proposal for the Offseason

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02-13-2014, 11:45 PM
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Leafs Proposal for the Offseason

Toronto:
Sign Paul Stastny for 6.5 mill

Trade:
Toronto:
M. Staal
C. Krieder
2014 3rd round pick

New York:
J. Gardiner
N. Kadri
2014 1st round pick

Toronto Line up:
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Stastny-Krieder
Kulemin-Bolland-Clarkson
Bodie-McClement-Orr

Phaneuf-Staal
Franson-Gunnarsson
Rielly-Gleason
Ranger

***Sign Kulemin and let Raymond walk or trade at the deadline.

What are peoples thoughts?

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02-13-2014, 11:50 PM
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Kreider is off limits according to NYR fans.

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02-13-2014, 11:54 PM
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Toronto:
Sign Paul Stastny for 6.5 mill

Trade:
Toronto:
M. Staal
C. Krieder
2014 3rd round pick

New York:
J. Gardiner
N. Kadri
2014 1st round pick

Toronto Line up:
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Stastny-Krieder
Kulemin-Bolland-Clarkson
Bodie-McClement-Orr

Phaneuf-Staal
Franson-Gunnarsson
Rielly-Gleason
Ranger

***Sign Kulemin and let Raymond walk or trade at the deadline.

What are peoples thoughts?
How exactly do they have the cap space for that? It doesn't work.

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02-13-2014, 11:56 PM
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How exactly do they have the cap space for that? It doesn't work.
With the cap increasing in the offseason it is possible that it goes up a lot. Of course we don't know what the cap is going to be, so this might not work, but who knows, that's why its only a proposal.

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Heard about a salary cap?

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With the cap increasing in the offseason it is possible that it goes up a lot. Of course we don't know what the cap is going to be, so this might not work, but who knows, that's why its only a proposal.
The cap is expected to go up about 7 mil, from 64.3 to 71.1. Again, that is a projection.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=438619

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02-14-2014, 12:04 AM
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With the cap increasing in the offseason it is possible that it goes up a lot. Of course we don't know what the cap is going to be, so this might not work, but who knows, that's why its only a proposal.
The cap is going to be 71.1 million dollars next season. That's only roughly 7 million give or take more than this year. According to cap geek, Marc Stall Makes 5.5 next season. Add in Paul Stasny's 6.5 (I feel like he will get more because of the crappy market) and the fact that Franson will get a raise (if he's not traded) and the kulemin extension (that's a whole other large figure) andthe leafs are well over the cap. It simply won't work. Proposal or not.

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02-14-2014, 12:07 AM
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Cap is a problem, but why would we sign Stastny if he's just going to play second line? We'd get a defenseman and a top 6 winger. It's like he's playing an unnecessary carousel.

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The cap is going to be 71.1 million dollars next season. That's only roughly 7 million give or take more than this year. According to cap geek, Marc Stall Makes 5.5 next season. Add in Paul Stasny's 6.5 (I feel like he will get more because of the crappy market) and the fact that Franson will get a raise (if he's not traded) and the kulemin extension (that's a whole other large figure) andthe leafs are well over the cap. It simply won't work. Proposal or not.
Fair enough, can we just sign Stastny for 2.5 mill then Sorry for the unrealistic proposal boys

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02-14-2014, 12:08 AM
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The cap really doesn't stop the Leafs from making a deal like this... all it means is that guys like Kulemin & 1 of McClement/Bolland are definitely gone.

Staal makes $4m (cap hit), Kadri's at $3m right now. The difference in what the Leafs would have to spend on Gardiner next year, versus what they could probably sign Kreider for, isn't substantial.

Toronto has some room to make upgrades, especially if they're willing to let guys like Kulemin, McClement, and/or Bolland walk.

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Cap is a problem, but why would we sign Stastny if he's just going to play second line? We'd get a defenseman and a top 6 winger. It's like he's playing an unnecessary carousel.
Because we'd need a 2nd line centre, and he'd be a really good one?

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02-14-2014, 12:11 AM
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Kreider being off limits or not, that proposal isn't getting you Staal and Kreider

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The cap is going to be 71.1 million dollars next season. That's only roughly 7 million give or take more than this year. According to cap geek, Marc Stall Makes 5.5 next season. Add in Paul Stasny's 6.5 (I feel like he will get more because of the crappy market) and the fact that Franson will get a raise (if he's not traded) and the kulemin extension (that's a whole other large figure) andthe leafs are well over the cap. It simply won't work. Proposal or not.
And a Bolland extension, and Reimer will get a raise

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And a Bolland extension, and Reimer will get a raise
Haha yikes, the leafs have got a lot of adjusting to do. They can do it but it's gonna take some sitting down and working it out.

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Stastny6.5 ? Really, so we have clarkson and stastny making way more then their worth.

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Kreider being off limits or not, that proposal isn't getting you Staal and Kreider
At this point NYR would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for Staal.

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why would he take a pay cut too sign in toronto?

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At this point NYR would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for Staal.
You have not a clue of how well Marc Staal has been playing do you? At this point you would be lucky to ever be taken seriously for valuing players.

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Toronto:
Sign Paul Stastny for 6.5 mill

Trade:
Toronto:
M. Staal
C. Krieder
2014 3rd round pick

New York:
J. Gardiner
N. Kadri
2014 1st round pick

Toronto Line up:
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Stastny-Krieder
Kulemin-Bolland-Clarkson
Bodie-McClement-Orr

Phaneuf-Staal
Franson-Gunnarsson
Rielly-Gleason
Ranger

***Sign Kulemin and let Raymond walk or trade at the deadline.

What are peoples thoughts?
I bet Marc Staal will be playing with his brothers in Carolina, You can pretty much guarentee that.

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02-14-2014, 02:54 AM
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Toronto:
Sign Paul Stastny for 6.5 mill

Trade:
Toronto:
M. Staal
C. Krieder
2014 3rd round pick

New York:
J. Gardiner
N. Kadri
2014 1st round pick

Toronto Line up:
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Stastny-Krieder
Kulemin-Bolland-Clarkson
Bodie-McClement-Orr

Phaneuf-Staal
Franson-Gunnarsson
Rielly-Gleason
Ranger

***Sign Kulemin and let Raymond walk or trade at the deadline.

What are peoples thoughts?

I laughed so hard soda came out my nose. This proposal is TERRIBLE for the Rangers

To start, Kreider is a LW not a right.

Second, Marc Staal>>> Gardiner

Third, I dont want Kadri

This proposal is worse than my proposals. Like all of them combined

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02-14-2014, 07:41 AM
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Staal would immediately become your best defenseman and you want to offer Gardiner? This can't be seriously considered.

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Staal when healthy anyway is a legit 1st pairing defenseman capable of shutting down the best players in the league. Gardiner's not close to that. There is the issue of what happens to Staal after next year but IMO I'd rather kick that can down the road for a year than to settle for the deal proposed here.

Onto Kreider-Kadri. Kadri's more established certainly but I'd prefer to keep Kreider who is much bigger, stronger and faster. I think Kadri is quite a bit closer if not already there to his upside. I think Chris has a ways to go still to reach his. He is the more dynamic player.

With the Rangers 1st going to Toronto for a 3rd this would be a huge win for the Leafs IMO if it were to happen. Very unlikely.

Closer to fair would be Staal, Kreider and a 3rd for Rielly, Kadri and a 1st and I still don't think I'd do it from a Rangers perspective.

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Staal when healthy anyway is a legit 1st pairing defenseman capable of shutting down the best players in the league. Gardiner's not close to that. There is the issue of what happens to Staal after next year but IMO I'd rather kick that can down the road for a year than to settle for the deal proposed here.

Onto Kreider-Kadri. Kadri's more established certainly but I'd prefer to keep Kreider who is much bigger, stronger and faster. I think Kadri is quite a bit closer if not already there to his upside. I think Chris has a ways to go still to reach his. He is the more dynamic player. With the Rangers 1st going to Toronto for a 3rd this would be a huge win for the Leafs IMO if it were to happen. Very unlikely.

Closer to fair would be Staal, Kreider and a 3rd for Rielly, Kadri and a 1st and I still don't think I'd do it from a Rangers perspective.
Kreider more Dynamic than Kadri? ...i think some of the smoke from Sather's Cigar has gotten into your eyes, because, i have no idea what you are seeing about Kreider that is Dynamic?
Kadri can turn quality defenders into pretzles with his puck ability, and Kreider will never put up the Points that Kadri will. Kreider just doesnt have the same talent level, and nothing in his history indicates he will suddenly exceed the potential he has shown to date.
That said, Kreider also plays a completely different style, and total points will not put the proper value on his worth.

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Kreider more Dynamic than Kadri? ...i think some of the smoke from Sather's Cigar has gotten into your eyes, because, i have no idea what you are seeing about Kreider that is Dynamic?
Kadri can turn quality defenders into pretzles with his puck ability, and Kreider will never put up the Points that Kadri will. Kreider just doesnt have the same talent level, and nothing in his history indicates he will suddenly exceed the potential he has shown to date.
That said, Kreider also plays a completely different style, and total points will not put the proper value on his worth.
It goes back to being bigger, stronger and faster. Call it dynamics, physics whatever--I'd prefer to take my chances with Kreider rather than with Kadri. Kreider is a power forward with speed who is just finding his game. IMO--Kadri's already found his. He pretty much is right now what he's going to be--basically a top 6 forward.

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Toronto:
Sign Paul Stastny for 6.5 mill

Trade:
Toronto:
M. Staal
C. Krieder
2014 3rd round pick

New York:
J. Gardiner
N. Kadri
2014 1st round pick

Toronto Line up:
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Stastny-Krieder
Kulemin-Bolland-Clarkson
Bodie-McClement-Orr

Phaneuf-Staal
Franson-Gunnarsson
Rielly-Gleason
Ranger

***Sign Kulemin and let Raymond walk or trade at the deadline.

What are peoples thoughts?
Don't have much interest in grabbing M. Staal. Solid player for sure, but I am queasy at the thought of him leaving town to go play in Carolina, especially if he was just traded here and has no particular roots in Toronto as opposed to NYR

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Staal would immediately become your best defenseman and you want to offer Gardiner? This can't be seriously considered.

Marc Staal is NOT a better defenceman than Dion Phaneuf, especially since his eye injury.

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It goes back to being bigger, stronger and faster. Call it dynamics, physics whatever--I'd prefer to take my chances with Kreider rather than with Kadri. Kreider is a power forward with speed who is just finding his game. IMO--Kadri's already found his. He pretty much is right now what he's going to be--basically a top 6 forward.
Kadri is a whopping 6 months older than Kreider, and for some reason you think he's already peaked, and plateaued
...to put it into a more acurate perspective, he is following a similar growth pattern as Mike Ribeiro, and that is not an unfair comparison, or expectation

I wouldnt expect Kreider to hit 70 points in the next 5 years, if he ever does.

and Kadri's speed is above average, though, he doesnt play a "speed" north/south game.
No idea what Kreider's speed is like in comparison ...when they describe a PF with speed, that doesnt usually mean they are faster than average, it just means sometimes the bigger guys are slower, and he's not, so he has speed.

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