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02-16-2014, 01:35 PM
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Couturier > Hamilton.

And they had Siemens rated ahead of Hamilton, anyway.

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If the Flyers blew it, it was trading a first for Steve Eminger, who was coming off a bad season and had at that point, disappointed in his career
a bad trade by Holmgren?
Isnt that called hindsight?

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Couturier > Hamilton.

And they had Siemens rated ahead of Hamilton, anyway.
they also had Trevor Lewis rated ahead of Giroux in 2006.

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they also had Trevor Lewis rated ahead of Giroux in 2006.
They were also trying to trade up for Chet Pickard when they ended up with Sbisa.

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We should have picked maatta and we should have picked dougie Hamilton over cout's . They were both pretty easy picks for the flyers to make but they are afraid to pick defense because they have failed too often.
kinda like we were too afraid to pick morin and hagg.

or MAYBE.....The other guys were just viewed as BPA.

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We should have picked maatta and we should have picked dougie Hamilton over cout's . They were both pretty easy picks for the flyers to make but they are afraid to pick defense because they have failed too often.
Complaining about taking Couturier? That should be considered blasphemy around these parts.

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02-16-2014, 02:48 PM
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kinda like we were too afraid to pick morin and hagg.

or MAYBE.....The other guys were just viewed as BPA.
Great we finally picked a defensemen in the 1st rd !Morin, Luca sbisa and Joni pikanen in 12yrs

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I just want to say again that I do not think Laughton was a bad choice at all. i think he has clearly showed he is better than many forwards drafted in front of him like Tom Wilson and Faska.

That being said if the draft was held again tomorrow you are looking at Maatta being a top 8 pick with only Trouba being the better dman than him so far.

Coming into the draft most of us were hoping to draft a dman. It was obvious that Murray, Rielly, Reinhart, Dumba and Trouba were not going to slide to us. After that group I believe Maatta was rated the highest next. All i was hoping for was one of Maatta , Ceci, Koekkoek , or pouliot to fall to us.

When Maatta was still there at our pick most of us assumed and hoped it would be him and were shocked by the laughton picked.

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I just want to say again that I do not think Laughton was a bad choice at all. i think he has clearly showed he is better than many forwards drafted in front of him like Tom Wilson and Faska.

That being said if the draft was held again tomorrow you are looking at Maatta being a top 8 pick with only Trouba being the better dman than him so far.

Coming into the draft most of us were hoping to draft a dman. It was obvious that Murray, Rielly, Reinhart, Dumba and Trouba were not going to slide to us. After that group I believe Maatta was rated the highest next. All i was hoping for was one of Maatta , Ceci, Koekkoek , or pouliot to fall to us.

When Maatta was still there at our pick most of us assumed and hoped it would be him and were shocked by the laughton picked.
Laughton's clearly better than Tom Wilson who has been in the NHL all year as a 19 year old? That's good to know.


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That being said if the draft was held again tomorrow you are looking at Maatta being a top 8 pick with only Trouba being the better dman than him so far.
Probably could have said the same thing on draft day

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Great we finally picked a defensemen in the 1st rd !Morin, Luca sbisa and Joni pikanen in 12yrs
10 1st round choices in 12yrs. 30% were defenders. The seven forwards were jvr, carter, richards, giroux, downie, couturier, laughton. Can't criticize a team when they have that kind of track record selecting forwards.

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Laughton's clearly better than Tom Wilson who has been in the NHL all year as a 19 year old? That's good to know.
He's been very underwhelming though. An argument can be made he shouldn't be in the NHL right now. If his offensive game never grows like the Caps are hoping, he won't have much to fall back on. Laughton will always have his defensive game.

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He's been very underwhelming though. An argument can be made he shouldn't be in the NHL right now. If his offensive game never grows like the Caps are hoping, he won't have much to fall back on. Laughton will always have his defensive game.
Tom wilson should not be in the nhl right now. However he is lindros esque in terms of his build so he can handle the nhl physically.

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He's been very underwhelming though. An argument can be made he shouldn't be in the NHL right now. If his offensive game never grows like the Caps are hoping, he won't have much to fall back on. Laughton will always have his defensive game.
It's his first year in the league as a 19 year old. Lucic wasn't exactly that great neither in his first season as 19 year old.

Much like Lucic (who he's often compared to) he had a crazy jump in development from his draft year to his post draft year while being a linebacker on skates.

I'm sure if the option was available Washington would love to have him in the AHL but unfortunately for them it's not.


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He's been very underwhelming though. An argument can be made he shouldn't be in the NHL right now. If his offensive game never grows like the Caps are hoping, he won't have much to fall back on. Laughton will always have his defensive game.
That's not the argument though. He said "clearly better" than Tom Wilson.

He's playing 4th line minutes. He's not going to put up a lot of points. He gets 7 minutes a game!!!

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I just want to say again that I do not think Laughton was a bad choice at all. i think he has clearly showed he is better than many forwards drafted in front of him like Tom Wilson and Faska.

That being said if the draft was held again tomorrow you are looking at Maatta being a top 8 pick with only Trouba being the better dman than him so far.

Coming into the draft most of us were hoping to draft a dman. It was obvious that Murray, Rielly, Reinhart, Dumba and Trouba were not going to slide to us. After that group I believe Maatta was rated the highest next. All i was hoping for was one of Maatta , Ceci, Koekkoek , or pouliot to fall to us.

When Maatta was still there at our pick most of us assumed and hoped it would be him and were shocked by the laughton picked.
My guess is that Homer still believed in his overrated defense, and his ability to sign a stud FA to improve the unit overall.
When his plans fell through and "the light came on" he realized that top PMD and/or #1 Dman were no longer easy to acquire.
Finally he had to try to draft and develop one, he had no other options, other than gutting the team to get one.

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02-17-2014, 04:32 PM
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Even though we got Morin, I was hoping for Nichushkin so badly...you can never predict who will fall to you draft day.

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Even though we got Morin, I was hoping for Nichushkin so badly...you can never predict who will fall to you draft day.
Based on the rankings, they weren't taking him regardless. If Morin was gone, I think it was Mirco Mueller up next.

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I'm not as high on Laughton as many, but let's at least see what he does in the NHL before declaring his pick a mistake.
certainly
I'm personally worried about where he's playing on a roster stacked with centers already

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you could seriously do one of these for basically every draft, like us picking ricci over jagr yea doesnt mean we "blew it" lol so dramatic

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If Morin was gone, I think it was Mirco Mueller up next.
Yup, much like Morin he tested well at the combine.

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Maata is a Joni Pitkanen clone. Flyers would have ruined him anyhow

I think Laughton is coming along fine and will be a valuable addition to the team but Homer blew it by not addressing the biggest organizational need until last year's draft.

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Maata looks great so far but defensemen progression in not linear. Coburn looked like a future Norris trophy candidate and was talked about as a future Canadian Olympian after his 1st full year with the Flyers. He has not progressed since and his offense has actually regressed. His also took a puck to the eye at the end of that year. Another cautionary tale is Tyler Myers. There is also the possibility that one of the four defensemen the Flyers chose in that draft could end up being better than Maata, so it's not just a Laughton versus Maata comparison; its a Laughton plus Gostisbehere versus Maata and the whoever the forwards the penguins took later.

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Great we finally picked a defensemen in the 1st rd !Morin, Luca sbisa and Joni pikanen in 12yrs
And of which, two of the 3 players you listed are not failures, and it's too early for Morin.

Please tell me again about how the flyers org fails (when they actually draft) to generate players out of viable talent.

I don't think they are scared to do whatever they think is best.

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My guess is that Homer still believed in his overrated defense, and his ability to sign a stud FA to improve the unit overall.
When his plans fell through and "the light came on" he realized that top PMD and/or #1 Dman were no longer easy to acquire.
Finally he had to try to draft and develop one, he had no other options, other than gutting the team to get one.
I like how you at least said my guess.

It could also be they liked Morin and Hagg was really outstanding value where we got him.

Were it me, 2013 Draft over again, with us having first overall, I'd take Mckinnon every time over jones, regardless of needs. At 2 with Mac gone, jones.

I'm a bpa guy, unless the difference is a hair width.

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