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Calder favorite MacKinnon maintains top spot in Colorado Avalanche Top 20 update

 
The Colorado Avalanche entered the Olympic break with a 37-16-5 record, which places them third in the Central Division behind the Chicago Blackhawks and St. Louis Blues.



Rookie Nathan MacKinnon has been a big part of the Avalanche and found his stride midway through the season when he was asked to play as the second line center in place of Paul Stastny, who was sidelined with an injury. He is quickly gaining a league wide reputation as one of the league’s most exciting young players.

In the AHL, the Lake Erie Monsters have not had the same success the Avalanche are having as their roster is riddled with injured players and had some of their better players called up to the Avalanche for short periods of time.… read more



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This list is just one person's opinion but it's never a good thing when you have a poor group of prospects to begin with and two recent first round picks still don't crack the top five.

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This list is just one person's opinion but it's never a good thing when you have a poor group of prospects to begin with and two recent first round picks still don't crack the top five.
One has been mauled by injuries, he'll make a name for himself. Maybe not with the avs but he'll get his hot in the NHL. The other sucks because he's too big for the NHL.

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One has been mauled by injuries, he'll make a name for himself. Maybe not with the avs but he'll get his hot in the NHL. The other sucks because he's too big for the NHL.
I think injuries have hurt Siemens' development quite a bit. He had the knee injury this season and I think he was out with a concussion for a bit when he was in junior. He's still really young though and this is his first year of pro hockey.

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Siemens stock has definitely fallen but he still has lots of time to develop, he's only 20.

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I think injuries have hurt Siemens' development quite a bit. He had the knee injury this season and I think he was out with a concussion for a bit when he was in junior. He's still really young though and this is his first year of pro hockey.
If only he was a bit bigger this would've never happened!

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This list is just one person's opinion but it's never a good thing when you have a poor group of prospects to begin with and two recent first round picks still don't crack the top five.
So let's get rid of our first for two months of Jagr or Markov!

I noticed Nate's rating has been upgraded to 9B. Didn't notice if anyone else's changed.

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I don't agree (at all) with Siemens being so low. Without flash people tend to underrate prospects. Also feel like Beaupre should have cracked the list over Stollery. Stollery isn't much of a prospect anyways.

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So let's get rid of our first for two months of Jagr or Markov!

I noticed Nate's rating has been upgraded to 9B. Didn't notice if anyone else's changed.
You're right, before he was 9C like Yakupov. Now 9B.
I find it quite normal

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i was looking at Siemens profile this is what i found

Siemens is the top Avalanche defensive defenseman prospect. While fans are impatient at his progress, his time in the minors will be invaluable when he finds himself an NHL regular.

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1. Nugent-Hopkins
2. Larsson
3. Schenn
7. Rundblad
9. Niederreiter
10. Huberdeau
11. Couturier
12. Granlund
13. Landeskog

1. Galchenyuk
2. Huberdeau
3. Yakupov
4. MacKinnon

Lists are entertainment. No reason getting worked up where someone is on one.

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1. Nugent-Hopkins
2. Larsson
3. Schenn
7. Rundblad
9. Niederreiter
10. Huberdeau
11. Couturier
12. Granlund
13. Landeskog

1. Galchenyuk
2. Huberdeau
3. Yakupov
4. MacKinnon

Lists are entertainment. No reason getting worked up where someone is on one.
Great post here.

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Great post here.
What am I missing with the lists? Obviously the first list would mostly be considered graduated prospects but why are there some missing? The last line is absolutely true though.

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What am I missing with the lists? Obviously the first list would mostly be considered graduated prospects but why are there some missing? The last line is absolutely true though.
HFs top 50 prospect lists from 2011 and 2013.

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Seems like the list is really a bunch of stat watching. Sgarbossa has been injured and only put up 12 points, downgrade! Siemens has only played 20 games and only has 1 goal, downgrade! Bourke scoring a lot, upgrade!

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1. Nugent-Hopkins
2. Larsson
3. Schenn
7. Rundblad
9. Niederreiter

10. Huberdeau
11. Couturier
12. Granlund

13. Landeskog


Lists are entertainment. No reason getting worked up where someone is on one.
They ****ed this year up really bad. That's hilarious

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Maybe this comment won't make much sense as I don't pay a lot of attention to NHL prospects in general, but I'm ok with the Avs having a "weak" prospect pool if it means that our better draft picks are making the jump to the team right away, which is the goal anyways. Duchene, MacK, O'Reilly didn't spend time on anyone's prospect list the way some other team's high draft picks have, they played right away.

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Only Chris Bigras looks to be good enough to make the jump up to the NHL next year. The rest of the Avs prospect pool looks to be a DISASTER. It is a crying shame to see such a weak prospect pool. Avs had better fire and hire some new scouts. That is the worst looking prospect pool I have seen and this coming from a lifetime leafs fan.

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Only Chris Bigras looks to be good enough to make the jump up to the NHL next year. The rest of the Avs prospect pool looks to be a DISASTER. It is a crying shame to see such a weak prospect pool. Avs had better fire and hire some new scouts. That is the worst looking prospect pool I have seen and this coming from a lifetime leafs fan.
Why wouldn't you count our last 1st round picks? Landeskog, O'Reilly and Duchene. We aren't drafting that bad. Our players just take the next step. It's not deep. But it's not THAT bad. In fact, if Hishon didn't have all these injuries, it wouldn't look that bad.

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Maybe this comment won't make much sense as I don't pay a lot of attention to NHL prospects in general, but I'm ok with the Avs having a "weak" prospect pool if it means that our better draft picks are making the jump to the team right away, which is the goal anyways. Duchene, MacK, O'Reilly didn't spend time on anyone's prospect list the way some other team's high draft picks have, they played right away.
Prospect pools are a bit overrated. It is mainly for people that want to say look at how bright our future is! The best forward prospects (top 6) usually only spend another year or two in junior and then skip the AHL. Rarely (unless the team is the Red Wings) do top 6 forwards spend more than a year in the AHL. The Avs like to rush their forwards a bit as well, which I am okay with as they usually turn out fine. On defense, top 4 defense usually don't spend more than 2 seasons in the AHL and the very best usually spend less than that. IMO (and probably not a popular one at that) a really strong AHL team filled with high end prospects just signals to me that a team isn't graduating their players fast enough.

The faster a team is at graduating their prospects, the worse their pool looks. The Avs are one of the quickest teams to graduate their prospects.

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Only Chris Bigras looks to be good enough to make the jump up to the NHL next year. The rest of the Avs prospect pool looks to be a DISASTER. It is a crying shame to see such a weak prospect pool. Avs had better fire and hire some new scouts. That is the worst looking prospect pool I have seen and this coming from a lifetime leafs fan.
Wow... the Avs drafting looks to have been really good since Pracey took over. Now they might need to improve their later round drafting, but it is far from a disaster. It is the opposite actually, I would say the Avs are easily a top 10 drafting team.

Bigras, Elliott, Condon, and Bourke could all be NHL ready next year, we will know at camp. Condon doesn't have much upside, but should be able to be a solid 4th line forward with excellent PK skills next year.

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It's a little hard to have a deep pool when the Avs didn't have a first in 08 and 12 and of course it's fantastic we have 4 high end picks in the NHL. The AHL team is full of lower round picks, the only a few high end picks, there are Hishon and Siemens, plus Heard and Elliott but almost everyone is a third and lower. This is why we NEED to draft a few more high end prospects. Bigras is one and hopefully we'll add two good ones this year. I like some of the kids in the AHL but most are just long shots.

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If we look at the young part of this team (26 and under) they are built like this:

ROR (23)-Duchene (23)-____
Landy (21)-MacK (18)-____
McGinn (25)-_____-_____

_____-EJ (25)
_____-Barrie (22)

Varly (25)

The wingers that are missing in the top 6 can easily be found in free agency going forward (they don't need to be great top 6 wings just complimentary). The bottom 6/bottom pairing is fairly easy to round out, though a #3C is important to find. The two difficult spots to fill are next to EJ and Barrie. I think it is safe to say that one will be filled by Bigras/Siemens going forward and that one spot will still need to be filled. Having only 1 high end need going forward with this young group (I don't say core because McGinn and Barrie are not part of the core) is quite a good position to be in. 1 good trade for a young defensmen with potential, or both Siemens/Bigras, or even 1 excellent draft pick in this next draft could solidify the young part of this team for the next 5 or so years.

The Avs need 1 more good young defensemen to have the group set, and the rest can really just be fill-ins.

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If we look at the young part of this team (26 and under) they are built like this:

ROR (23)-Duchene (23)-____
Landy (21)-MacK (18)-____
McGinn (25)-_____-_____

_____-EJ (25)
_____-Barrie (22)

Varly (25)

The wingers that are missing in the top 6 can easily be found in free agency going forward (they don't need to be great top 6 wings just complimentary). The bottom 6/bottom pairing is fairly easy to round out, though a #3C is important to find. The two difficult spots to fill are next to EJ and Barrie. I think it is safe to say that one will be filled by Bigras/Siemens going forward and that one spot will still need to be filled. Having only 1 high end need going forward with this young group (I don't say core because McGinn and Barrie are not part of the core) is quite a good position to be in. 1 good trade for a young defensmen with potential, or both Siemens/Bigras, or even 1 excellent draft pick in this next draft could solidify the young part of this team for the next 5 or so years.

The Avs need 1 more good young defensemen to have the group set, and the rest can really just be fill-ins.
You could just put McGinn with ROR-Duchene IMO.

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For the record I'm not a fan of numerically ranking players like the format I was given.

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We have a skeletal prospect pool. There are few good prospects but there's no meat on the bone.

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