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02-18-2014, 05:46 PM
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We need a good, cheap 2C option like Chicago has in Handzus if we want to keep all of Hall, Eberle, RNH, Perron and Yak, and have some money left over for a goalie and a D core.

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Ugh you don't get what hes saying, if we have Hall, Nuge, Yak, Schultz, Perron etc how are we going to afford +7 million for Stastny, it would be nice to have him but eventually we wouldn't be able to keep these players, yes the cap is going up but as we get more and more of our young kids improving those players will ask for a lot more and that 7 million will be pretty scary when hes +33 and our kids are in their prime asking for 7-8 million.

#1. Boon Jenner: Young, gritty and skilled and is still considered to be developing. CBJ have depth through the middle and he can be had for cheap compared to other options.

#2. Brayden Schenn: Same player as Jenner just 2 years older and has a lot of NHL experience as well as playing very well in last years playoffs. But from what ive seen Philly are looking for defense in return which we don't have, it would take a lot to pry him out of there.

#3: Colin Wilson: Hes not really super physical or gritty but hes a big body with skill who would flourish in an offensive system and has learned a lot being in Trotz' system and would be cheaper than Schenn

#4: Dave Bolland: Hes been stuck behind a lot of centers his career and played a shut down role really well, if Toronto cant meet his contract demands we could get him for cheap or wait till FA and hope he signs here.


Honorable mention: 2014 Draft: I only make a trade for a 2c at the draft, if Ekblad isn't available there's a good chance Sam Bennett is, there's our #2 right there. We could possibly trade down and draft Connor Bleackley who looks really great in red deer but may or may not take a bit to develop, hard to say.
These are the kinds of guys I want MacT looking at. Not exactly the most highly sought commodities, so they wont cost an arm and a leg in a trade, but are young and have upside and more importantly, proven NHLers.

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02-18-2014, 06:02 PM
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These are the kinds of guys I want MacT looking at. Not exactly the most highly sought commodities, so they wont cost an arm and a leg in a trade, but are young and have upside and more importantly, proven NHLers.
Theres speculation there's a Gagner for Wilson trade being discussed, id ship my pants if that worked out(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03UmJbK0lA).

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02-18-2014, 06:02 PM
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Boone Jenner won't come as cheap as many expect but I would love to have him, he is right on the cusp of becoming a solid 2 way center in the NHL but with CBJ's depth at the center position he is missing out on some of those minutes.

Plus if they brought him in I could re commision my "Lower the Boone" sign from the World Juniors haha


Colin Wilson I think could be a fit and if we could get him for Gagner with Poile adding a little sweetner I'm for that.

Other then that the two guys I really like are Brandon Sutter and Shawn Matthias both of whom are big 2 way centers who haven't found the scoring touch. Sutter because he hasn't really had a chance to play any extended time with really talented wingers, he could probably be had cheap seeing as he is a RFA and Pittsburgh has quite a few guys to sign and not a whole pile of space even with the cap going up. They might feel they can get a 3c cheaper then the 3+ Sutter will be asking for.

Matthias is on the outs in FLA with their depth at C he could be had for next to nothing. Bring him in if you ship Gagner out give him the rest of the year at 2C and see what he does with a fresh start and some talented wingers. If he sink then you have a good 3W or 4C and his cap hit is only 1.7 really not that bad.

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02-18-2014, 06:18 PM
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I wonder how many people here make a career out of lurking the trade rumour boards.

Stasny: No size or aggression, but he'd be a huge upgrade over Gagner. Wouldn't trade for him but if he were available as a free agent I'd be very happy to have him as a pick-up.

Zajac: If you could hear me laughing now. Really. Sure let's pick up Horcoff V2.0. Zajac's contract isn't as bad as Horcoff's, but we'd actually have to give up something to get him. If Zajac was making 4.5M his contract would be very attractive to a lot of teams out there.

Couturier: I'm guessing a thousand or so people have brought Couturier and Edmonton into the same conversation. No creativity on this one.

Spezza: Like Couturier, Spezza to Edmonton has been discussed on many occasions. It doesn't work for us, though and that just shows that you just wrote this to get people to visit your blog and either don't care about the Oilers or don't know anything about their situation.

1: Edmonton's biggest need is help on the blueline.
2: Edmonton's second biggest need is big physical forwards who can play top six minutes.
3: Spezza is a 30 year old with the body of a 35 year old. His production is declining and you can't blame it on his supporting staff. With Bobby Ryan added into the fold he's on pace for less than 65 points. On top of that Spezza isn't a clutch guy you'd want going into the playoffs. In 56 playoff games he has only 2 game winning goals. His plus minus is horrific and a power play specialist is hardly what Edmonton needs given the forwards they've got right now.

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I think I like Brayden Schenn as a number 2C for us more than any one of those options.

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Oilers: Four centres MacTavish should target

With the NHL Trade Deadline roughly two weeks away, you can bet Edmonton Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish is a busy man. One can argue if now is the right time for the Oilers to move Sam Gagner but one thing this season has made abundantly clear, #89 isnít the answer as this teamís second line centre. With that being the case, four names that should interest the Oilers GM as potential replacements are Sean Couturier, Jason Spezza, Paul Stastny and Travis Zajac.

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the scary thing is that was (should have been) abundantly clear the minute they knew they were taking RNH. How much brains does it take to see that RNH and Gagner as your 2 top Cs will never be good enough? Apparently it takes 3 NHL executive brains and 2 years of time. they are two years behind with this decision. What else is new?

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[B][SIZE="3"] one thing this season has made abundantly clear, #89 isnít the answer as this teamís second line centre.
One thing this season has made abundantly clear --> Sam Gagner plays better when he isn't wearing a full face shield. That's it.

If you think that last season proved that Gagner isn't the answer as the team's second line center then you have yourself a topic for discussion.

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Jenner has 5 points in his last 5 games playing LW with Johansen and Horton.

I don't see why Columbus would be in any hurry to move him because of their center depth when he's showing he's a capable winger. Especially when CBJ is pretty shallow at LW.

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I liked how guys said Couturier had no grit, and Brayden Schenn had more!!

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Truth be told, I wouldn't be against letting Lander get a shot at the #2 centre spot. His offencive game has really come around this year, and I could see him complementing Yak and Perron very well.

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I don't think Statsny is such a bad idea to fill that 2C spot. Decent faceoffs, not bad +/-. He's no shutdown Kesler type center but he would probably cost the Oilers the least. Couturier isn't going anywhere unless Oilers trade one of the big 4, and any top 2C with strong two way game isn't coming cheap, if they're being made available at all.

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Truth be told, I wouldn't be against letting Lander get a shot at the #2 centre spot. His offencive game has really come around this year, and I could see him complementing Yak and Perron very well.
I'd like to see it too, not sure it'll ever happen though.

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Truth be told, I wouldn't be against letting Lander get a shot at the #2 centre spot. His offencive game has really come around this year, and I could see him complementing Yak and Perron very well.
I would call you crazy but Lander's PPG this year actually put him in the top 5-10 players in the AHL, just has less games than all the leaders.

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cant lump size and grit into one category.. Paajarvi had size but isnt what we wanted.
For the same reason we can rule out Zajac and Spezza as ideal options. Couturier isnt ideal either because he doesnt have grit.

ideal player for me is someone like J.Staal or B.Schenn .. Skilled guys that are also willing to bump some bodies to open up ice for linemates.
Size literally means nothing though. What good is a 6'3 230lb center if he plays like the kid that was afraid of hitting in peewee for the first time?

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We need a good, cheap 2C option like Chicago has in Handzus if we want to keep all of Hall, Eberle, RNH, Perron and Yak, and have some money left over for a goalie and a D core.
we have 30mil in cap space with hall, rnh and eberle locked up long term. we dont need to bargain bin shop for a 2nd line C, hell we are playing gagner $5M so we could pay at least that probably more.

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Since the article was terrible. I'll give my own 5 min version of what the article should have been.

3 Forwards MacT should Target

Wilson - Same reasons stated by posters in this thread

Pirri - Reportedly fallen out of favor with coach Q. Good offensive player. Has loads of potential. Chicago has to make a decision since he becomes waiver eligible very soon. Teravainen is pretty much NHL ready. That could push Pirri even further down the line up. Pirri could help us out tremendously on any of our top 3 lines.

Kulemin - Skillful in both the offensive and defensive zone. Big body. Perfect compliment on the 3rd line with Gordon

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and sign leo komarov for our fourth line, hes better than clifford at being a jerk and is a great defensive player

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If people think Gagner is bad defensively, have you ever watched Spezza play?

If people think Gagner is soft, have you ever watched Pirri play? If you think Gagner is too small why do you want Pirri?

Colin Wilson - not tough or gritty, despite what everyone believes since he is big.


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and sign leo komarov for our fourth line, hes better than clifford at being a jerk and is a great defensive player
Was he ever something today. Reminded me of a bigger stronger Esa Tikkanen only much more annoying

This guy is just awesome.

This HFpartner OP, not so much.

Glad people have managed to make a thread out of it given how brutal the OP and article is.

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If people think Gagner is bad defensively, have you ever watched Spezza play?

If people think Gagner is soft, have you ever watched Pirri play? If you think Gagner is too small why do you want Pirri?

If people think Colin Wilson is a center, have you ever watched him play? I can't understand where HFOil posters get their opinions on this guy. He's not a center. He's not tough or gritty.
When Gagner gets finds himself getting in the top 5 for points by a center than people wouldn't care about his defense. Fact is Spezza has done this on more than one occasion so he gets a bit of a pass.

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When Gagner gets finds himself getting in the top 5 for points by a center than people wouldn't care about his defense. Fact is Spezza has done this on more than one occasion so he gets a bit of a pass.
Missing the point - Gagner is a worthless piece of garbage to Edmonton fans because he's soft, poor defensively and is only good for points. Spezza is a better yet older, more injury prone, more expensive version of Gagner.

Edmonton would be lucky to get a guy like Clifford or to be able to add a pick in order to get a guy like Wilson for a 0.64 point per game player over the past 3 seasons (170 games played). So by Oil-logic, after one season people would be clamoring to move Spezza for Dwight King.

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Was he ever something today. Reminded me of a bigger stronger Esa Tikkanen only much more annoying

This guy is just awesome.

This HFpartner OP, not so much.

Glad people have managed to make a thread out of it given how brutal the OP and article is.

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What bothers me about articles like this one is that the writer didn't even bother to check things like No Trade Clauses that is easily accessible on cap geek. He doesn't watch NHL hockey outside of maybe a handful HNIC and Oilers games and its apparent when the article is very vague and just fantasy style speculation.

He also didn't check any of the news regarding Spezza even though TSN posted an article a week ago basically refuting any notion of a Spezza trade. LeBrun posted an article a month or so ago saying that the Sens are in a win now mode. Things i found in 30 seconds of google searching.

I could have written an article that was 100x better than that one. But what do i know. I'm just some random internet hockey fan who has gamecenter and watches 5-7 games a week with google skills. I also don't have a fancy website to make my opinions seem legitimate.

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What bothers me about articles like this one is that the writer didn't even bother to check things like No Trade Clauses that is easily accessible on cap geek. He doesn't watch NHL hockey outside of maybe a handful HNIC and Oilers games and its apparent when the article is very vague and just fantasy style speculation.

He also didn't check any of the news regarding Spezza even though TSN posted an article a week ago basically refuting any notion of a Spezza trade. LeBrun posted an article a month or so ago saying that the Sens are in a win now mode. Things i found in 30 seconds of google searching.

I could have written an article that was 100x better than that one. But what do i know. I'm just some random internet hockey fan who has gamecenter and watches 5-7 games a week with google skills. I also don't have a fancy website to make my opinions seem legitimate.
The reason I call these articles spam is that the same "partners" are generating most of this crap and I complain more about it when its say 3 different junk threads simultaneously being posted. By people that have never or rarely even bothered to post in this board or even in their threads. This going against any kind of messageboard etiquette I've ever experienced. Post lame thread, get hits for outside site, walk away. Rinse, lather, repeat endlessly.

Can't wait for the next one..


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The reason I call these articles spam is that the same "partners" are generating most of this crap and I complain more about it when its say 3 different junk threads simultaneously being posted. By people that have never or rarely even bothered to post in this board or even in their threads. This going against any kind of messageboard etiquette I've ever experienced. Post lame thread, get hits for outside sight, walk away. Rinse, lather, repeat endlessly.

Can't wait for the next one..
QFT, most of these Hfboards sponsors make absolutely useless articles that clog up the forum

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