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02-19-2014, 08:04 AM
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the difference is MTL has money, NSH didn't. MTL will match anything we throw at him

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02-19-2014, 08:05 AM
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no for Subban. Stay away from him. HE is a flashy offensive guy, we NEED A DDDDDDDDDDDDDfenseman.
Subban is much better defensive than people give him credit for

I hate his antics, but he's definitely the #1 defenseman we could use

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02-19-2014, 08:08 AM
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This is even more of a pipe dream than the Weber OS. Montreal has one of the deepest coffers in the league. The new CBA handicaps poison pill contracts and gives teams an advantage over retaining their own players since teams can give 8 years to their own players while other teams can only offer 7 years.

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02-19-2014, 08:20 AM
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This is even more of a pipe dream than the Weber OS. Montreal has one of the deepest coffers in the league. The new CBA handicaps poison pill contracts and gives teams an advantage over retaining their own players since teams can give 8 years to their own players while other teams can only offer 7 years.
Holmy can always throw an offer sheet that could be out of MTL's comfort zone, its possible. They've benched him and last year or the year before there was all that trouble in the locker room surrounding PK so maybe they don't want to give a hothead upwards of 9M. All I am saying is that it would be hilarious if Holmgren did it again, even if we didn't sign him.
And about the hothead part, I doubt he would try that with the guys we have on our team.

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02-19-2014, 08:25 AM
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It wouldn't surprise me if Holmgren offered that.
Try putting together a roster for next season with Subban at a $10m cap hit.

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02-19-2014, 08:33 AM
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Any offer to him will be countered. And to trade for him would gut our organizational depth and drafting for years.

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02-19-2014, 08:34 AM
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Try putting together a roster for next season with Subban at a $10m cap hit.
That's easy(for next year). Caps going up, we lose 6M of Kimmo, 4M of Mezaros there is our 10M, the cap going up is giving us atleast 3-4M wiggle room, we lose Downies 2.6M. Resign brayden at 2-3M, resign Gus at 1Mish, pull up Laughton, sign Raffl to nothing over 2M.
Before resigning 12.6M (+ around 4M)
Subban- 10M
Brayden 3M
Gus 1.5M
Laughton- Entry
Raffl- 1.5M
Easy

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02-19-2014, 08:34 AM
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Nah, won't happen. As good as PK Subban is, he is not Shea Weber. He's far more offense than defense.

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02-19-2014, 08:36 AM
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That's easy(for next year). Caps going up, we lose 6M of Kimmo, 4M of Mezaros there is our 10M, the cap going up is giving us atleast 3-4M wiggle room, we lose Downies 2.6M. Resign brayden at 2-3M, resign Gus at 1Mish, pull up Laughton, sign Raffl to nothing over 2M.
Before resigning 12.6M (+ around 4M)
Subban- 10M
Brayden 3M
Gus 1.5M
Laughton- Entry
Raffl- 1.5M
Easy
Giroux eats up 5M of cap space by with his raise. So think about it like the Flyers basically sign a guy for 5M in the offseason without actually adding a player to the roster.

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02-19-2014, 08:37 AM
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That's easy(for next year). Caps going up, we lose 6M of Kimmo, 4M of Mezaros there is our 10M, the cap going up is giving us atleast 3-4M wiggle room, we lose Downies 2.6M. Resign brayden at 2-3M, resign Gus at 1Mish, pull up Laughton, sign Raffl to nothing over 2M.
Before resigning 12.6M (+ around 4M)
Subban- 10M
Brayden 3M
Gus 1.5M
Laughton- Entry
Raffl- 1.5M
Easy
Do it properly.

http://www.capgeek.com/flyers/armchair-gm/?year_id=2014

You end up with $2.658 million to sign three forwards (including RFA BSchenn), a 6th defenseman, and a backup goalie.

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)

DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / P.K. Subban ($10.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)

GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)

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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,441,429; BONUSES: $0
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02-19-2014, 08:45 AM
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That's easy(for next year). Caps going up, we lose 6M of Kimmo, 4M of Mezaros there is our 10M, the cap going up is giving us atleast 3-4M wiggle room, we lose Downies 2.6M. Resign brayden at 2-3M, resign Gus at 1Mish, pull up Laughton, sign Raffl to nothing over 2M.
Before resigning 12.6M (+ around 4M)
Subban- 10M
Brayden 3M
Gus 1.5M
Laughton- Entry
Raffl- 1.5M
Easy
You forgot about Giroux's cap hit going up by ~5M.

It's entirely possible that you're low on both Schenn and Raffl's cap hits as well.

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02-19-2014, 11:49 AM
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10 mil for Subban? F that.

8 maybe but not 10... I don't want ANY part of that.

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You forgot about Giroux's cap hit going up by ~5M.

It's entirely possible that you're low on both Schenn and Raffl's cap hits as well.
Oh yeah, forgot about Giroux I was wondering why it was so easy. If Raffl wants more than 2 it's not worth it.

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02-19-2014, 12:52 PM
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You have a better chance of trading for him than an offersheet. The trade starts with Couts+Morin then add from there. Probably never going to happen, but I always get the feeling that that situation is very volatile in Montreal. I honestly think they would see what the interest for him is if they don't like his contract demands.

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02-19-2014, 01:23 PM
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Why does this board constantly fixate on unrealistic scenarios? It would get matched quicker than Weber's did.

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You have a better chance of trading for him than an offersheet. The trade starts with Couts+Morin then add from there. Probably never going to happen, but I always get the feeling that that situation is very volatile in Montreal. I honestly think they would see what the interest for him is if they don't like his contract demands.
I don't think even a package of Couts, Morin and some draft picks would get it done. They'd be asking for Giroux and for good reason. You don't trade elite talent without getting elite talent in return.

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I don't think even a package of Couts, Morin and some draft picks would get it done. They'd be asking for Giroux and for good reason. You don't trade elite talent without getting elite talent in return.
Actually usually elite talent is got with young high end players. You don't see stars traded for stars in the NHL.

I see Meltzer writes one article where he would think about a Giroux for Weber trade and now everytime a player that is discussed he will be brought up? Flyers aren't trading Giroux for anyone.

I think Subban has a better chance of being traded than Pete Weber, but thats not saying much.


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Actually usually elite talent is got with young high end players. You don't see stars traded for stars in the NHL.

I see Meltzer writes one article where he would think about a Giroux for Weber trade and now everytime a player that is discussed he will be brought up? Flyers aren't trading Giroux for anyone.
No **** they're not trading Giroux, but that's what Subban would cost. If Montreal would accept anything less, than they're retards. Morin and Couts don't have the potential to be elite. They never will be despite some people's delusional hopes. There is no realistic way Subban becomes a Flyer. People need to accept it.

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I get people are thirsty for a number 1 stud dman but some of the things that people come up with here is pure fantasy.

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No **** they're not trading Giroux, but that's what Subban would cost. If Montreal would accept anything less, than they're retards. Morin and Couts don't have the potential to be elite. They never will be despite some people's delusional hopes. There is no realistic way Subban becomes a Flyer. People need to accept it.
Morin has all the potential in the world. How are you saying he doesn't have the potential to become a #1 defender one year after being drafted?

Of course this is all hypothetical, but if Montreal is trading or even entertaining offer for Subban, they won't get a star player back most likely. If they do that they are either having troubles with the contract, having problems with him off ice, or don't think they can build and win around him. They would be looking to go in another direction, and that would most likely require them getting top end potential and draft picks. Maybe a player like Voracek or similar, but not a super star in the league.

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I get people are thirsty for a number 1 stud dman but some of the things that people come up with here is pure fantasy.
Exactly why I titled it "SPECULATION"
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Nah, won't happen. As good as PK Subban is, he is not Shea Weber. He's far more offense than defense.
So since we can't got Weber, we shouldn't go after Subban?

Besides, we aren't getting Subban any way

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Exactly why I titled it "SPECULATION"
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Speculation- the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.
it's not specualtion though because you have nothing (ie: a website rumour) to back it up with.

This is just you asking a question

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Would be the worst great acquisition because I really don't like him but he's also really good.

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it's not specualtion though because you have nothing (ie: a website rumour) to back it up with.

This is just you asking a question
If he had a website rumor, the tag would be "RUMOR:". This is speculation.

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