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02-19-2014, 02:05 PM
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we have 30mil in cap space with hall, rnh and eberle locked up long term. we dont need to bargain bin shop for a 2nd line C, hell we are playing gagner $5M so we could pay at least that probably more.
Flip Gagner for whatever.If its Clifford and a 2nd that would be fine for me. They'll need Clifford to step in the 3rd line for Hemsky/Smyth.
People balk at paying Statsny 7+ million well he's definitely worth more than Gagner.
Legwand is plan B

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Every time I hear the words 'Boone Jenner', it reminds me of how bad I thought the selection of Musil was.

It's still too early to tell, but that pick might end up being the worst pick of the Tambo era.

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Every time I hear the words 'Boone Jenner', it reminds me of how bad I thought the selection of Musil was.

It's still too early to tell, but that pick might end up being the worst pick of the Tambo era.
Hesketh? Abney?

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Hesketh? Abney?
Both undoubtedly horrible picks, but neither was the 1st pick of the 2nd round (which was basically a late 1st round pick in a deep draft), and it's not like anyone drafted immediately after that would have made much more of a difference.

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02-20-2014, 09:35 AM
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Both undoubtedly horrible picks, but neither was the 1st pick of the 2nd round (which was basically a late 1st round pick in a deep draft), and it's not like anyone drafted immediately after that would have made much more of a difference.
J.Deslauriers round 2 pick 1
T.Pitlick round 2 pick 1

nothing to write home about..

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Every time I hear the words 'Boone Jenner', it reminds me of how bad I thought the selection of Musil was.

It's still too early to tell, but that pick might end up being the worst pick of the Tambo era.
Maybe, but even if Musil or Moroz don't completely pan out, Abney is barely a hockey player and we drafted him round 3, so that's my vote for worst.

Besides, I think Musil and Moroz have decent trade value.

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Every time I hear the words 'Boone Jenner', it reminds me of how bad I thought the selection of Musil was.

It's still too early to tell, but that pick might end up being the worst pick of the Tambo era.
I remember early in that draft year that Musil was projected as a top-10 pick. He fell leading up to the draft, and at the time I thought he was an absolute steal in the 2nd round.

I had no problem with the pick then.

It's easy with 20/20 hindsight, but this is far from his worst pick.

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02-20-2014, 07:49 PM
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What is Musil? 20 or 21 years old?

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Abney was the worst pick in the Tambo era, AINEC.

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Maybe, but even if Musil or Moroz don't completely pan out, Abney is barely a hockey player and we drafted him round 3, so that's my vote for worst.

Besides, I think Musil and Moroz have decent trade value.
There's no way that Abney was a worse pick than Troy Hesketh who was picked 11 spots higher and never made it to pro hockey.


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J.Deslauriers round 2 pick 1
T.Pitlick round 2 pick 1

nothing to write home about..
If Pitlick had stayed healthy this year we'd all be pretty excited.

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1. McDavid
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3. Reinhart
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Sorry for derailing the thread, but I guess I just look at the relative value (IF Jenner turns out and Musil doesn't).

For the same reason that I think choosing Kelly over Doan was a worse pick than choosing Niinimaki, I think Musil may turn out to be a worse pick than Hesketh/Abney.

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02-21-2014, 12:57 AM
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Sorry for derailing the thread, but I guess I just look at the relative value (IF Jenner turns out and Musil doesn't).

For the same reason that I think choosing Kelly over Doan was a worse pick than choosing Niinimaki, I think Musil may turn out to be a worse pick than Hesketh/Abney.
And what happens if Musil turns into a Matt Greene Clone and Jenner turns into a 3rd line center?

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And what happens if Musil turns into a Matt Greene Clone and Jenner turns into a 3rd line center?
And what if Musil turns into Colten Teubert? (This is why I used words like if, may, and might)

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And what if Musil turns into Colten Teubert? (This is why I used words like if, may, and might)
It's to early to call it one way or another. Give it two more years and we should have a better idea of how both players are going to turn out.

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02-22-2014, 12:13 PM
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Ryan O'Reilly
Ryan Kesler
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02-23-2014, 12:10 PM
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And what if Musil turns into Colten Teubert? (This is why I used words like if, may, and might)
I warned you all about Colten Teubert before he was traded here. ZERO hockey sense. I think Musil can become a 6/7 guy. Certainly not the best value from where he was drafted, but not a complete waste of a pick either. Lots of first round defensemen top out as a 6 guy. In hindsight, with our current team needs, Jenner would have been the best pick at the time. I was on the Victor Rask bandwagon....

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02-24-2014, 09:04 AM
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I warned you all about Colten Teubert before he was traded here. ZERO hockey sense. I think Musil can become a 6/7 guy. Certainly not the best value from where he was drafted, but not a complete waste of a pick either. Lots of first round defensemen top out as a 6 guy. In hindsight, with our current team needs, Jenner would have been the best pick at the time. I was on the Victor Rask bandwagon....
I think it's still a waste. You are going to waste a pick and then a bunch of years developing a guy that you can sign on September 1st for league minimum.

Just a waste IMO. Those first two rounds I rather go after guys that project to be top 6 forwards or top 4 d-men, and if they turn out to be bottom 6 forwards or bottom pairing d-men or busts so be it.

This club has had very little trouble adding those bottom 6 players or #4-6 d-men via free agency so I'm not too concerned about adding those type of players through the draft. On the flip side we have a lot of problems signing top 6 and top 3 d-men, so lets try draft and develop those ones.

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02-24-2014, 06:58 PM
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I think it's still a waste. You are going to waste a pick and then a bunch of years developing a guy that you can sign on September 1st for league minimum.

Just a waste IMO. Those first two rounds I rather go after guys that project to be top 6 forwards or top 4 d-men, and if they turn out to be bottom 6 forwards or bottom pairing d-men or busts so be it.

This club has had very little trouble adding those bottom 6 players or #4-6 d-men via free agency so I'm not too concerned about adding those type of players through the draft. On the flip side we have a lot of problems signing top 6 and top 3 d-men, so lets try draft and develop those ones.
Not necessarily a knock on you, but we have a good faction of fans around here who would trade a top six in Gagner for a bottom six in Clifford just because we can't seem to find bottom 6ers...... Musil is young and has lots of time to develop. Seems to have a good head on his shoulders and if given time he could become a 4 guy. Certainly to early to write him off. He could definitely become a top 4 player in a Ladi Smid mold.....

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02-24-2014, 10:48 PM
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Musil is young and has lots of time to develop. Seems to have a good head on his shoulders and if given time he could become a 4 guy. Certainly to early to write him off. He could definitely become a top 4 player in a Ladi Smid mold.....
Exactly, it's not costing the Oilers a lot to keep him around for a while. Bieksa didn't even play a shift in the nhl 'til he was 24, I think 20 yrs old is a bit too young to come to the conclusion that a d-man will never earn his stripes.

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