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02-20-2014, 07:40 PM
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Why are we comparing offensive numbers for a forward and a defensemen?

And what does Kichton have to do with anything?
beerz, Kichton played in the WHL and put up 2 times the points Pysyk did. its for context only. Im showing that Pysyk has never demonstrated any offensive skill whatsoever. 40 points in the WHL is nothing... Sekera at least put up 55 in the OHL

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02-20-2014, 07:46 PM
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no i just brought some reality about Pysyk. he's never shown any offense even in the ultra high scoring WHL, his offense is non existant
that not just me.... its just what it is
No you didn't. In fact, you just showed the world that you know next to nothing about him, or the nature of quality d-men, for that matter.

But, hey, it's okay. No hard feelings.

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beerz, Kichton played in the WHL and put up 2 times the points Pysyk did. its for context only. Im showing that Pysyk has never demonstrated any offensive skill whatsoever. 40 points in the WHL is nothing... Sekera at least put up 55 in the OHL
So you only value a defensemen in terms of the points he is capable of putting up? We just sent down Gauthier-Leduc to the ECHL who scored 75 points in the Q ..

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02-20-2014, 07:49 PM
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WHL is ultra high scoring now?

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02-20-2014, 07:52 PM
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Well, you know, I'm talking NHL numbers here, in case you didn't notice
Look at it this way Last year Girgensons and Nelson both had their first pro seasons in the AHL and Nelson had 3 times as many points as Girgensons on a worse team... youre pretty high on Girgs right? so am I, but it also showed me that Nelson is damned good. in someways better than Strome because he can take the hits and still score.... you're way underating his game

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Look at it this way Last year Girgensons and Nelson both had their first pro seasons in the AHL and Nelson had 3 times as many points as Girgensons on a worse team... youre pretty high on Girgs right? so am I, but it also showed me that Nelson is damned good. in someways better than Strome because he can take the hits and still score.... you're way underating his game
Girgensons was 18 years old.

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02-20-2014, 07:57 PM
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Yeah... I doubt any Sabre fans were touting Pysyk as the next great one....nobody does that on the Sabres board... Most see him as a reliable 2nd pairing D-man ..which is equivalent to a 2nd line forward. They still have quite a bit of value especially ones as young as Pysyk.

If you like other D-man for Erne instead of Pysyk that's fine..if you're unwilling to trade Erne for Pysyk for reasons because of team needs or preference ..or even because you're just that high on Erne and don't want to move him..well..that's fine. But Pysyk in terms of value nets you a Adam Erne..it's fair... I personally view Pysyk with more value because he's proven he belongs in NHL already and preformed pretty damn good for a rookie on a struggling team.
I said would do Erne and 5th for Pysyk. Is yes guys like better. This solves an organizational need. Hopefully pans out for both teams. I have guys on board who really like Pysyk I have seen maybe 10 times? Maybe 15 times tops. He played ok you look at stats. The one stat I hope he improves is blocking shots he would have alot more worth. Yet defenders are weird. Some mature at 20 others 24 some at 30 etc. Pysyk looks like an earlier one a solid one we could use.

When say not ideal? In two years might look back and say well he def matured in this that and other ways? Why is so many questions. He has a lot of time I am sure in two years his worth is a lot more and you have a good equation or feeling for Pysyk. Right now you only have what has shown so far. That might not be all he has.

So yes erne plus 5th for pysyk I do that.

Just not sold he would wind up being more than the 5-6 in Tampa but that is fine too cause we still need that guy

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Look at it this way Last year Girgensons and Nelson both had their first pro seasons in the AHL and Nelson had 3 times as many points as Girgensons on a worse team... youre pretty high on Girgs right? so am I, but it also showed me that Nelson is damned good. in someways better than Strome because he can take the hits and still score.... you're way underating his game
I don't think I am, since I acknowledge his value and would absolutely like a player like him on my team. I don't, however, understand the need to devalue another player on another team in order to get a point across.

Pysyk and Nelson are in the same league valuewise, right now.
Positional need wise, well, that's another story, and I'm not telling you guys what your needs are.

Ok, that's it. Enough OT for me.

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02-20-2014, 08:06 PM
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So you only value a defensemen in terms of the points he is capable of putting up? We just sent down Gauthier-Leduc to the ECHL who scored 75 points in the Q ..
No i dont, im just saying that the offensive skills that some are attributing to Pysyk are a reach, and that small defense first defenders are not that rare.

Zadorov with his size is worth way more, Risto with his size and offensive skills same thing, Pysyk isnt in their class and I dont see him ever being more than a #4 defensive specialist. does that have value? yes... but not as much as some buffalo fans think.... its a matter of upside I think Nelson has a higher upside than Pysyk, if im wrong I'll admit it, but nothing Nelson has done has made me think he wont be, like I said Nelson has shown me more than Strome has

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I'd add to Erne for Risto or Myers, not for Pysyk.

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02-20-2014, 08:16 PM
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Look at it this way Last year Girgensons and Nelson both had their first pro seasons in the AHL and Nelson had 3 times as many points as Girgensons on a worse team... youre pretty high on Girgs right? so am I, but it also showed me that Nelson is damned good. in someways better than Strome because he can take the hits and still score.... you're way underating his game
LOL.

That's cause that was Girgensons coming straight out of the USHL and playing in the AHL right after being drafted. Nelson had the luxury of playing 2 years in college hockey before playing in the AHL.

How about we look at their NHL point totals? Girgensons has 2 less points playing on a FAR inferior team, does not get sheltered and is 2 years younger than Nelson.

I get it if you don't want to trade Nelson because you're an Islanders fan, but don't act like there is this huge difference between the two. If anything Girgensons is better.

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02-20-2014, 08:18 PM
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Girgensons was 18 years old.
Yes and i acknowledge that and I think his skills will translate in much the same as Brock's have. He's strong on his skates which bodes well. if his scoring advances as he fills out, I think he'll be as good if not better than Nelson, no argument. but my point is that Brock has already started that transition and shown he can score even in a strictly 3rd and 4th line defensive role which is how our coach has used him,
its easy to see that he's more ready than Strome. and I honestly think he could Blossom as Tavares LW

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LOL.

That's cause that was Girgensons coming straight out of the USHL and playing in the AHL right after being drafted. Nelson had the luxury of playing 2 years in college hockey before playing in the AHL.

How about we look at their NHL point totals? Girgensons has 2 less points playing on a FAR inferior team, does not get sheltered and is 2 years younger than Nelson.

I get it if you don't want to trade Nelson because you're an Islanders fan, but don't act like there is this huge difference between the two. If anything Girgensons is better.
I just wrote that Girgs can be better. but it depends on how he transitions, the biggest step a player makes is keeping his offensive skills as his body matures, playing against Adults is different than playing against teens and not everyone translates well. only time will tell. But from what Ive seen ive no doubt Brock will. I think Girgs will too I just hope for his sake he wasnt rushed too much, but his play so far is promising.... Id feel better if he was in Rochester though logging 1st line minutes


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Either did Andrej Sekera until this year.
This is a perfect comparison. Only some sabres fans noticed what all around ability seketa had. Because he focused (and succeeded so much defensively) people thought he had no offensive ability whatsoever. It's not that there isn't potential offensive ability, it's that a rookie on an offensively terrible team should be defensive minded.

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