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02-24-2014, 09:23 PM
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Is it just me or is this a little petty from St. Louis? The GM of your team is also the GM of team Canada and he leaves you off. So you request a trade?

They should be independent from each other and it screams unprofessional for a guy to request a trade for not (initially) making the best team in the world.
I don't think it's all petty. His GM basically spit last years top scorer in his face. I would have done exactly the same thing. No confidence, no trust.

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02-24-2014, 09:34 PM
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I don't think it's all petty. His GM basically spit last years top scorer in his face. I would have done exactly the same thing. No confidence, no trust.
It has nothing to do with that. Yzerman had to go with the rest of the staff on the team. What is he going to say,You all want another player but I am going to put my player on the team. If he did that it would of showed that he is not a professional and can't make the hard decisions.

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02-24-2014, 09:37 PM
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It has nothing to do with that. Yzerman had to go with the rest of the staff on the team. What is he going to say,You all want another player but I am going to put my player on the team. If he did that it would of showed that he is not a professional and can't make the hard decisions.
It's hardly a hard decision to put Marty St. Louis, his own captain, on Team Canada. That's a giant snub. All bonds of trust are broken at that point.

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02-24-2014, 10:03 PM
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Why do people just assume Hemsky will want to resign here?

He's not going to play in the top six here, the organization has to make a commitment to Yakupov and stick with it.

He's not going to make the playoffs here and he's wasted most of his prime years.

He hasn't played in a single meaningful game in an Oilers uniform in like six years. We saw what he did at the Olympics when the game's actually meant something ... for his own sake he needs to get the hell outta here and fast.
If he wants to play meaningful games this year, he's likely gonna get a chance to. But there's a good possibility that he's bought in to the whole 'rebuild' that our management has gone head first into.

If he sees himself as a piece of the puzzle that gets us there, why doesn't he sign?

The financial situation is the big factor for me though. Because the years of him being a $5m player are long gone and rarely have we seen players take a pay-cut when re-signing with a team.

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02-24-2014, 10:51 PM
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It's hardly a hard decision to put Marty St. Louis, his own captain, on Team Canada. That's a giant snub. All bonds of trust are broken at that point.
but it's obvious looking at the way that team played that offensive numbers weren't the primary focus there. They wanted a specific type of team there, one that could just own the puck and win physical battles and all that stuff. St.Louis was getting pushed off the puck fairly regularly when he played and I really don't think he fit what they were looking for in this team. Probably was added after Stamkos was ruled out just to try and smooth things over. I lost a lot of respect for St.Louis after he threw a fit. Even in the post game comments he seemed upset that he didn't play more... I just don't get it. Team Canada is the hardest team to make and they have the luxury of selecting not just the best players but guys who fit what they're looking for, it's not the kind of thing that a guy should get bent out of shape over.

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It's hardly a hard decision to put Marty St. Louis, his own captain, on Team Canada. That's a giant snub. All bonds of trust are broken at that point.
So then Hall and Eberle should complain that Lowe didn't get them on the team? Leading the league in scoring doesn't mean you're a fit for the team. And watching that team, you could tell he didn't quite fit the style of play they were trying to build.

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02-25-2014, 12:04 AM
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I am shocked there has not been more trades

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I am shocked there has not been more trades
Teams tight to the cap might be waiting until right to the deadline to make additions.

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02-25-2014, 12:29 AM
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That's overkill for 2-way centers, then people would be saying "why do have all that talent on the wings and no big time center for them to play with?". Couturier + Bozak/Gordon would be more than good enough.

They should have traded up in the draft to take both RNH and Couturier.
Hey, has anybody seen the Rumour thread? Can you point me in the right direction please.

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02-25-2014, 07:28 AM
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Hey, has anybody seen the Rumour thread? Can you point me in the right direction please.
Me too.... Seems the link is broken and it took me to the mainboard where they are kvetching about MSL

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http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3

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02-25-2014, 08:54 AM
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It has nothing to do with that. Yzerman had to go with the rest of the staff on the team. What is he going to say,You all want another player but I am going to put my player on the team. If he did that it would of showed that he is not a professional and can't make the hard decisions.
Pretty much. People complain about nepotism and favoritism all the time with the Oilers, but they want it to be there for the selection process of team canada?

My other question is does MSL now not want to go to the other teams who's GM's/coaches were apart of the selection process?

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02-25-2014, 08:58 AM
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I am shocked there has not been more trades
You know how your mom or dad use to say "would you jump of the bridge if so and so did"? Well NHL Gm's wait for that first guy to jump and then they all take the plunge.

There is something about waiting until the bitter end to make a deal that makes the GM's feel so smart.

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02-25-2014, 09:16 AM
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Pretty much. People complain about nepotism and favoritism all the time with the Oilers, but they want it to be there for the selection process of team canada?

My other question is does MSL now not want to go to the other teams who's GM's/coaches were apart of the selection process?
It's not nepotism when the player deserves to be on the team. Has actual merit. That kind of stuff.

It's not like we're talking about a scrub. This guy has art ross trophies and is always sniffing around the top of the league scoring.

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02-25-2014, 09:24 AM
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You know how your mom or dad use to say "would you jump of the bridge if so and so did"? Well NHL Gm's wait for that first guy to jump and then they all take the plunge.

There is something about waiting until the bitter end to make a deal that makes the GM's feel so smart.
i think it also has to do with the top guys available.

ex. Ryan Miller - buffalo holds out as long as possible to get the best possible offer for miller. in the meantime teams that want miller say ANA or NYI are sitting on that deal. Maybe Ana has a deal for hiller but they wont make it until a miller trade happens ex ex like a domino effect. my guess is teams are waiting to see the price on Miller, Callahan, Vanek, Girardi and then when those pieces fall the dominoes all fall quick.

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02-25-2014, 09:25 AM
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It's not nepotism when the player deserves to be on the team. Has actual merit. That kind of stuff.

It's not like we're talking about a scrub. This guy has art ross trophies and is always sniffing around the top of the league scoring.
exactly if daryl Katz kids was scotty bowman no one would be crying about nepotism if he became our coach

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02-25-2014, 09:34 AM
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444622

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Tim Panaccio of CSNPhilly.com writes that the Philadelphia Flyers will need an 'impact defenceman' if they want to make the playoffs, thinking that a player like Andrew MacDonald of the New York Islanders, Winnipeg Jets blueliner Dustin Byfuglien, Nick Schultz of the Oilers, Calgary's Dennis Wideman and Dallas Stars defenceman Trevor Daley could be a fit.
It's speculation, but it's at least a possible destination for Nick Schultz. What can we expect in return? low picks? prospects, salary dump?

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02-25-2014, 09:37 AM
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It's speculation, but it's at least a possible destination for Nick Schultz. What can we expect in return? low picks? prospects, salary dump?
It's odd they mention an "impact" d-man and mention Nick Schultz..

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It's odd they mention an "impact" d-man and mention Nick Schultz..
to be fair they didnt say positive or negative impact.

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It's speculation, but it's at least a possible destination for Nick Schultz. What can we expect in return? low picks? prospects, salary dump?
Honestly, I would love to see Schultz with a retention for Mezsaros and a pick, then flip Mezsaros to someone for something. It's like a 2 for 1

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to be fair they didnt say positive or negative impact.
Good point...haha

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You know how your mom or dad use to say "would you jump of the bridge if so and so did"? Well NHL Gm's wait for that first guy to jump and then they all take the plunge.

There is something about waiting until the bitter end to make a deal that makes the GM's feel so smart.
I think it's thot most everybody knows that a GM will never give his best offer until the last minute because thats when he's afraid he may lose the player to another team. Thats the feeling the selling GM wants the other to feel I'd imagine.

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Craig MacTavish will be watching practice. Some point during/after he's expected to address the media.Will be interesting to hear MacT speak

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02-25-2014, 12:26 PM
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Honestly I don't know why Gene thinks it will be interesting. If there was anything worth while to talk about we would've heard about it by now. It's probably the normal pre-TDD talk?

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Craig Mactavish - "I decided to watch the Oilers practice, and I felt we need to make a few changes, so before TDD, Daryl Katz and I have decided to trade the Oilers for the Flames. Daryl and I felt we shouldn't stop the rebuild so we want to make it longer."

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