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02-26-2014, 01:41 AM
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I still think that last season wasn't a step forward. It was an outlier, and over an 82 game sample Kreugers team would have come crashing back down to Earth. The small sample we saw after the trade deadline was a glimpse of what was coming.

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02-26-2014, 01:49 AM
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MacTs biggest mistake was the coaching change. This isn't a knock on Eakins nor is it major praise of Kreuger. Constant coaching changes for a young team is a bad idea. I get the whole new GM should get to pick his coach but Ralph really deserved at least a chance this year. Mac clearly thought Eakins was too good to pass on but I still don't see it. Where stuck with him for awhile hopefully it works out.

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1) Eh, short memories I guess. I seem to recall Hall being benched for periods at a time under Renney for throwing tantrums (much to this boards dismay, calling for Renney's head) and also being caught mouthing off/being pissed off on camera over having the goalie pulled in games where they were already down by 2 or 3 goals.
That was my point, Renney held him accountable whenever his frustration boiled. 3/4 seasons of consistent message would have reigned him in imo

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I still think that last season wasn't a step forward. It was an outlier, and over an 82 game sample Kreugers team would have come crashing back down to Earth. The small sample we saw after the trade deadline was a glimpse of what was coming.
We were expected to come out of the lockout break with momentum so you might be right.


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02-26-2014, 04:02 AM
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We'll, MacT couldn't have praised him more today. He thinks the team has improved rapidly and immensely (notwithstanding the regression from last year. For that Eakins gets a pass).

It sounded like MacT is well aware that everyone thinks he blew it on this coaching change but is convinced time will prove him right.

We shall see if his hunch (and that's all it was) was a good one. It cost him this season. Will it cost him the next?
I guess that means Mactavish figures he's got all the time in the world to try and fix this mess. Gotta love the arrogance associated with this team. It's inconceivable for any of them to think they could ever possibly be wrong. The only certainty we can take from this season is the fans are beginning to run out of patience with this group. The days of blind trust are over. We'll see what he's saying this time next year.

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02-26-2014, 04:52 AM
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We'll, MacT couldn't have praised him more today. He thinks the team has improved rapidly and immensely (notwithstanding the regression from last year. For that Eakins gets a pass).

It sounded like MacT is well aware that everyone thinks he blew it on this coaching change but is convinced time will prove him right.

We shall see if his hunch (and that's all it was) was a good one. It cost him this season. Will it cost him the next?
Next season, if by the 25-30 game mark this team is at the bottom of the standings, we better can Eakins and pray Laviolette is available still. There is no way MacT can justify keeping Eakins if we are sitting bottom 5 again. This season has been a disaster, he better not throw next season away just cause of Eakins.

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Is this idiot still our coach? Very excited by his tweet talking about how great 1-0 hockey games are and how that is how the game should be played.
He doesn't actually say that in his tweet. He says he likes games decided by one goal.

I think most hockey fans would agree that one goal games are the most exciting/intense.

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He doesn't actually say that in his tweet. He says he likes games decided by one goal.

I think most hockey fans would agree that one goal games are the most exciting/intense.
I like wins... 5-0 is exciting as well if the Oilers are on the right side of that.

Oilers have won 8 of the 23 one-goal games they've been in this season so Eakins sees plenty of them... he just can't get his team to win enough of them.

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02-26-2014, 11:18 AM
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I still think that last season wasn't a step forward. It was an outlier, and over an 82 game sample Kreugers team would have come crashing back down to Earth. The small sample we saw after the trade deadline was a glimpse of what was coming.
Yeah cuz the small sample size is alwayys the most accurate.

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I think the Olympic break will probably be good for the Oilers, like a chance for a mini-camp giving Eakins a chance to solidify his strategies (or at least ingrain some modicum of team defense)

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02-26-2014, 11:34 AM
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You missed the 3rd option, we have no PP defencemen. Schultz and Petry are alright but we don't have a guy with a huge bomb that other teams have to watch. Gives the opposing team a little leeway to collapse down and prevent the passes through the slot, as they don't have to worry about pressuring the points quite as much.
This is why I hate Eberle on the point of the PP. When was the last time anyone saw Eberle score from a slapshot? Get his back down low because that's where he scores from. Gagner was actually a decent option on the point last year because he seems to be able to score from a slap shot every now and then in addition to being a good passer as well. Just seems to me that Eakins doesn't use the options he does have properly.

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@mc79hockey also something about how there were several voices in charge at first, now everyone knows who's in charge (him I bet)

Apparently Eakins said some real dumb stuff at the season ticket holders event. Sorry for the shoddy copy and paste. Basically these are the key parts.
Sounds like an interesting meet and greet with the Oilers last night. Interesting that Eakins think the players hate him.. wonder what gave him that idea? Must be hard for the players to go from such a nice coach in Krueger to a hardass coach like Eakins. But in fairness to Eakins, one of the things he said in an interview with Gregor when Gregor asked him what he learned most so far this season and his answer was 'just to breathe.. and try not to be too intense' which he admitted was difficult to do with his fiery attitude. Its his first season in the NHL so I'll give him some leeway right now. It does seem though that the team is starting to buy into his gameplan more now, so it'll be interesting to see how this goes from this point forward.

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02-26-2014, 12:03 PM
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So the players hating Eakins is why they sucked so bad ,Eakins is like Mac t throws anyone under the bus but himself And I can see why the players hate him he took a team that was progressing and swarmed It out of playoffs by the end of October.

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Is there any way to look up team stats from say game 41 and on? I'd like to know if anything has improved since the beginning.

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Is there any way to look up team stats from say game 41 and on? I'd like to know if anything has improved since the beginning.
i was actually thinking the same thing but i was thinking more along the terms of what is our record since RNH was healthy and sam gagner took that mong guard off his face.

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02-26-2014, 01:59 PM
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Sounds like an interesting meet and greet with the Oilers last night. Interesting that Eakins think the players hate him.. wonder what gave him that idea? Must be hard for the players to go from such a nice coach in Krueger to a hardass coach like Eakins. But in fairness to Eakins, one of the things he said in an interview with Gregor when Gregor asked him what he learned most so far this season and his answer was 'just to breathe.. and try not to be too intense' which he admitted was difficult to do with his fiery attitude. Its his first season in the NHL so I'll give him some leeway right now. It does seem though that the team is starting to buy into his gameplan more now, so it'll be interesting to see how this goes from this point forward.
someone paraphrasing that the players hate him based on the other quotes is a gross exaggeration. It is simply what everyone has said all along, 5 coaches in the past 6 years means the players are not likely to listen to the coach because there's no accountability.

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MacTs biggest mistake was the coaching change. This isn't a knock on Eakins nor is it major praise of Kreuger. Constant coaching changes for a young team is a bad idea. I get the whole new GM should get to pick his coach but Ralph really deserved at least a chance this year. Mac clearly thought Eakins was too good to pass on but I still don't see it. Where stuck with him for awhile hopefully it works out.
It definitely cost the team this season. If it pays off in the long run then it was a good thing but up until now it hasnt looked that way. Realistically they should probably still be running with Renney as the HC and Krueger as an assistant, coaching wasnt the problem when the team was running with them.

For me if they end up dropping Eakins it's a big sign MacT has failed. He just had to make the move because Eakins philosophy on how to coach a team was so close to his and they were so much in sync on what they thought about hockey and how to play the game that I cant imagine him remaining after changing this coach. If the style of play Eakins is running is a failure then how can we expect MacT to succeed?

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Yeah cuz the small sample size is alwayys the most accurate.
Oh, god, the irony. It's delicious.

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Oh, god, the irony. It's delicious.
You know you're busted, own it.

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I don't need to own anything, what exactly am I busted for ?

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I don't need to own anything, what exactly am I busted for ?
Trying to say that the few games you were referring to were a more accurate indicator of the team's overall level of play than the other, larger portion of the season maybe? What did you think I was referring to?

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You're trying to use Eakins small sample size to sewer him. You're citing Kreugers 48 game sample as headcoach as evidence he's better. Therein lies the irony. For the record, Kreuger was the associate coach the previous 2 years the Oilers were garbage as well... not sure why he doesn't share in that responsibility.

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You're trying to use Eakins small sample size to sewer him. You're citing Kreugers 48 game sample as headcoach as evidence he's better. Therein lies the irony. For the record, Kreuger was the associate coach the previous 2 years the Oilers were garbage as well... not sure why he doesn't share in that responsibility.
Eakins' small sample size of what? The modest 7 game not-totally-sucking streak, or the 60 games so far this season? The 7 game streak is mainly due to Scrivens, without him two of those games are lopsided defeats and it goes from 5-1-1 or whatever to 3-3-1. Overall the 60 games are garbage, and it's not like it's just bad, it's awful.

The Oil gave up 48 goals in the first 12 games, that's 4 per game.
They have been shut out 7 times in 60 games and scored 1 goal 9 times.
They have allowed 4 goals or more 31 times.
They lost by 3 goals or more 17 times.
Their gf/ga is -46. Last year was -11.
Right now 13 games under .500, last season 3.

How many Oilers had good seasons under Kruger? Noone was in the "has to go" category.

How many this year? Fans are livid with Gganer, DD is already gone, even Eberle is reportedly on the blocks. Fans don't really like anyone on the team right now.


Not sure if there are any categories where the team is even close to what it was last year under Krueger, but we all know macT will stay the course with Eak and make player trades instead of manning up and admitting he made a mistake.

This is horrible and it just keeps getting wprse.

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You're trying to use Eakins small sample size to sewer him. You're citing Kreugers 48 game sample as headcoach as evidence he's better. Therein lies the irony. For the record, Kreuger was the associate coach the previous 2 years the Oilers were garbage as well... not sure why he doesn't share in that responsibility.
Odd hill to die on.

The Oilers have a far better lineup with actually helpful recruits this year and Eakins is coaching a lineup that is night and day better on paper than what Krueger had to a far worse record.

Lets not even consider the injury situation last year.

not sure what you're really saying here. Eakins record, tactics, stubborn swarm and 1-3-1 PP is really indefensible. An idiot wouldn't be doing this with this young lineup.

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I still think that last season wasn't a step forward.
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It was an outlier, and over an 82 game sample Kreugers team would have come crashing back down to Earth.
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The small sample we saw after the trade deadline was a glimpse of what was coming.
huh?

48 games under Krueger is fluke, wasn't step forward but you know a 7 game stretch was?

The recent stretch of success this year had everything to do with the Oilers suddenly having faith in goaltending and getting some lights out performances between the pipes. They were outplayed in most of the games.


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Let's not kid ourselves Replacement. The Oilers played over their heads for about a week and when the games mattered the most they remembered who they really were.

I can still picture that absolutely lifeless loss to the Flames on home ice when they had kids with about as much NHL experience as you or I.

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