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02-26-2014, 06:49 PM
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Mac T didn't deserve the job to begin with. Only the Oilers give a rookie gm who is part of the old boys club a job. It's truly embarrassing.

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02-26-2014, 07:02 PM
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Then maybe they shouldn't have filled the 2 most important management positions with rookies. I get that everyone has to start somewhere, but is this really the team that should be loaded up with inexperience not only on the ice but in management as well?
Bingo. A rookie coach for a team of punks and a fan base that has absolutely had it with patience is not only a huge mistake but a huge gamble. MacT hired Eakins on a hunch, fcol. We, and he, have no clue if this will work.. Only hope.

That said, they have improved. Shore the pp and who knows. I'll give Eakins till December .

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02-26-2014, 07:04 PM
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So ****ing what?

Last I checked, points were awarded for wins, not how many deck chairs you manage to shuffle.
Players don't want to come to Edmonton it is a very difficult job to get decent help. MacT is doing OK considering that fact. Also fans tend to force managements hand a bit. Like getting rid of Horcoff because of money. We have plenty of money, there was no need. Horcoff was a big deal and was needed. Now we have the new guy Ference working the room. I'm sure this caused problems. Cleaning up Lowe's and Tambo's mess makes his job even more difficult.

Start the season off with tons of losses mostly because of the goalie, shake up the room, change the game plan, throw in new players, throw in a power tripping coach, ... The list goes on. I think we are lucky to not be worse off.

Is going to take time and we all will be upset because of the time but we must stay the course. Shake it all up again and it's all over again.

Though I hate the show as it is no more big changes, baby steps. Gotta have our best players buy in and step up their game (which is likely darn near impossible with nothing to play for right now).

MacT needs our support whether he deserves it or not. If he says Eakins is the man then Eakins is the man.

Eakins seems to have a lot of contacts with players around the league. For sure helps get players to at least consider Edmonton as a place to be.

What I say here isn't what I feel much of the time that is for sure.

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02-26-2014, 07:12 PM
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Its funny how people get extremely defensive about a sophomore Yakupov being called a "bust" after a 100 games but they're so quick to call a rookie GM/Coach a "bust" after 60 games.
Again, it's not that he's a bust, it's that they opted for a rookie, knowing there would be a learning curve and no proof it will even work. Are we treating the position of coach (and gm) the same way we treat 18 year old prospects... Answer: Yes.

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We're so used to the Dubnyk/LaBarbera tandem letting in floaters from the point that better goaltending is considered unsustainable.
Yeah, that could be true. I know I got to the point where I pretty much thought that a deflection, screen, tip or knuckler always goes in. I mean Dubey couldn't stop anything that wasn't a routine save (and even those, about every other game). That was the worst 20 game stretch of goaltending I have ever seen. ECHL calibre.

So, because of this, I am willing to give Eakins some slack.

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02-26-2014, 07:54 PM
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Again, it's not that he's a bust, it's that they opted for a rookie, knowing there would be a learning curve and no proof it will even work. Are we treating the position of coach (and gm) the same way we treat 18 year old prospects... Answer: Yes.
And to top it off most of us act like rookie fans much of the time.

We beach and moan about a player, Hemsky for example then complain he is hard to trade. How about the fans doing their share, play them up not down. Doh. Though a GM would be foolish to make a decision based on some forum of pretend people I would bet they have their people check ALL sources looking for a feel of what a player brings. Guaranteed somebody reads this stuff. Might be one of the media people that teams own or maybe they have someone dedicated to scouring the net for tidbits. We're talking millions of dollars of deals so they do do-diligence.

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Mac T didn't deserve the job to begin with. Only the Oilers give a rookie gm who is part of the old boys club a job. It's truly embarrassing.
Yeah a team like Tampa would never do that, they would go out of the organization for a guy like that.

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And to top it off most of us act like rookie fans much of the time.

We beach and moan about a player, Hemsky for example then complain he is hard to trade. How about the fans doing their share, play them up not down. Doh. Though a GM would be foolish to make a decision based on some forum of pretend people I would bet they have their people check ALL sources looking for a feel of what a player brings. Guaranteed somebody reads this stuff. Might be one of the media people that teams own or maybe they have someone dedicated to scouring the net for tidbits. We're talking millions of dollars of deals so they do do-diligence.
So you feel that the people in command of Oilers are doing there jobs even though the results have been 30th, 30th, 29th, 24th, and we're looking to finish 29th again. Oiler fans are asking for improvement, it's not like there asking to be Stanley cup champions tomorrow. IMO when you have 3 first overall picks and you still don't improve, that is a joke. Craig Mctavish may be very active and did some good trades but he is not addressing the main issue ( Defense ) trading for 4rth line players is not going to turn this team around. He needs to grow a pair and trade either Jordan Eberle, Nail yakupov or the first round pick for an established defensmen.

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Yeah a team like Tampa would never do that, they would go out of the organization for a guy like that.
Different situations. Wasn't coaching then before either.

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02-26-2014, 08:14 PM
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I know that...But a win is a win. I could care less HOW they do it. As long as I see a WIN...
I guess if we are talking about MacT it's fair to chalk up that win, trading some magic beans for Scrivens was brilliant. That move barely scratches the surface tho, I still want him goooooooone.

Keeping Eakins here and trading away players just to try and prop him up is a recipe for disaster.

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Its funny how people get extremely defensive about a sophomore Yakupov being called a "bust" after a 100 games but they're so quick to call a rookie GM/Coach a "bust" after 60 games.
There's a difference though, you don't expect 18 year old kids to step in and dominate right away. We all know there's going to be growing pains, same with a coach sure but it's pretty disheartening to see the entire team regress. We also didn't fire someone to bring Yakupov in, we drafted him.

Yakupov lead the Oilers in goals as a rookie, the only leading Dallas Eakins has done is leading this team right off a cliff.

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02-26-2014, 08:24 PM
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So you feel that the people in command of Oilers are doing there jobs even though the results have been 30th, 30th, 29th, 24th, and we're looking to finish 29th again. Oiler fans are asking for improvement, it's not like there asking to be Stanley cup champions tomorrow. IMO when you have 3 first overall picks and you still don't improve, that is a joke. Craig Mctavish may be very active and did some good trades but he is not addressing the main issue ( Defense ) trading for 4rth line players is not going to turn this team around. He needs to grow a pair and trade either Jordan Eberle, Nail yakupov or the first round pick for an established defensmen.
agreed. Hall Eberle and RNH NEED to be separated to grow and we need the return one (or two) would get. I think that Yakupov isn't valuable enough right now so no to Yak.

I vote Hall and Eberle for a bold trade. Keep the youngest two.
Can only hope MacT is waiting for the right move.

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02-26-2014, 08:35 PM
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agreed. Hall Eberle and RNH NEED to be separated to grow and we need the return one (or two) would get. I think that Yakupov isn't valuable enough right now so no to Yak.

I vote Hall and Eberle for a bold trade. Keep the youngest two.
Can only hope MacT is waiting for the right move.
Hall scores 5v5 and is a leader I would never consider Hall for a trade.
RNH is a center and can't afford to trade and centers with skill.

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Hall scores 5v5 and is a leader I would never consider Hall for a trade.
RNH is a center and can't afford to trade and centers with skill.
If Hall can learn 2 way I would agree but there is a reason he was left off the Olympic team. Is good but there is for sure better value out there.

I have no love for any player, all are assets to play or for trade (though I do feel a bit for Yakupov for obvious reasons). They are employee, no, possessions of the Oiler company for entertainment value. This was drilled into me when Gretzky was sold like an animal. Employees are hired and fired, sports players are bought and sold. They think it is ok because they get a pile of money but bought and sold none the less.


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Have to admit, other than better goaltending, I don't see the improvement that MacT claims to see.

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I'll have to agree about MacT being delusional while manipulating some of the Oiler faithful with the BS he's been saying about seeing vast improvement of the team. The Oilers performance as of late has been masked by great goaltending. Something that was very relevant even during MacT's tenure as a head coach.

Bottom line is MacT was a subpar coach and people on here are blinded and give him more credit then he actually deserves. His decision to hire Eakins while keeping the duo of Oiler alumni rejects tells you what MacT really knows about coaching.

The guy is a complete joke and I'd be really surprised if this team found a way to fight for the playoffs around this time next year with his influence especially if he decides to run with the current coaching staff.


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I respect Craig MacTavish's intellect. I do think he was a good coach. I do think intelligence and networking are probably as important, if not more important, than pure hockey acumen.

I don't like how he was hired, and I keep going back to the Smid trade and I can't make sense of it. The "improvement" thing is PR speak, not too flummoxed about that.

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Trading away Horcoff and not retaining salary = amazing
I've been starting to wonder if this deal was actually a win. Horc, while overpaid, helped this team in more ways than I think people acknowledge. If they could have still signed Gordon, a line of Horc-Gordon-Perron would have been a very good third line.

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I still believe that the team is better than they're showing. All these different coaches and new players every year, no wonder the team can't gain any traction. They're constantly having to learn new systems and try to gel as players shuffle in and out.

People were calling for Krueger, but was he really any better? Yes the special teams was better, but that and Dubby standing on his head was the only reason the team had a respectable record before they crumbled towards the end of the shortened season.

How fast we forget. The team was atrocious 5 on 5. Ridiculously bad. They couldn't score if their lives depended on it.

When the team this year has played well, they've played really well, out shooting and out playing the opposing team. But it doesn't take much to fall apart and it all started when Dubnyk couldn't stop a beach ball despite the team out shooting and out playing most of the teams the first 15 games or so. Remember how many people and the media were saying that if the goaltending was much better early in the season, the team would have (and should have) had a much better record?

I really do think MacT is doing a great job. It is going to take time though. He'd made some great signings/trades since the summer. Perron, Ferrance, Scrivens and Hendricks etc.

Not sure if Eakins is the guy for the job, but he is at least teaching defense, something the players had zero idea how to do before hand. I remember when the season started and he asked the team what basic defense was, no one had a clue. The players have had to learn from scratch. That's why it's so painful.

A bit of a rambling post that was all over the place, but if you can piece together what I am trying to say, I'm basically saying, I believe in MacT and Eakins. Yes, I'm crazy, but I stand by it.

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Can't give credit to MacT for getting Bryz or Scrivens really. Total desperation moves and too little, too late. A GM is supposed to know about his team's strengths and weaknesses and be proactive. Goaltending has been a question here for years and those idiots in management did nothing until now. **** Dubnyk too.

Also, I'm not a Krueger fan because it was obvious he was in over his head as a hc but then going and hiring another rookie coach who has done even worse? A disastrous miscalculation again. The Perron trade was nice, but the two aforementioned mistakes cost the team this season and perhaps will continue to in the future as well.

So now MacT knows this season is over and is waiting for the draft saying it's a "process" or some other nonsense when he's Mr. Bold Moves? It's obvious these guys don't know what they're doing and it's ridiculous that they've been allowed to keep this farce going as long as they have.

Won't be long now until we draft Ekblad and he goes full loser mode in a season or two like our other young stars.

What we have here is a Mickey Mouse organization, ladies and gents.

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Yeah, Perron and Scrivens are nice chairs, aren't they.
Have you checked the standings lately?

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Yeah a team like Tampa would never do that, they would go out of the organization for a guy like that.
You're actually comparing the old boys club in Edmonton, the guys that can't get out of the basement, to the guys in Detroit who not only make the playoffs every season but have also won Stanley Cups?

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You're actually comparing the old boys club in Edmonton, the guys that can't get out of the basement, to the guys in Detroit who not only make the playoffs every season but have also won Stanley Cups?
No, but thanks for paying attention?

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You're actually comparing the old boys club in Edmonton, the guys that can't get out of the basement, to the guys in Detroit who not only make the playoffs every season but have also won Stanley Cups?
The Oilers are hardly the only team that looks within its ranks or at personal connections when hiring people.

Just a few other examples.

Cam Neely is President of the Bruins.
The Sabres hired Bryan Murray's nephew.
Minnesota's GM is Cliff Fletcher's son.
Doug Wilson in San Jose used to play for them.

Hockey is pretty much one big old boy's network

Also worth mentioning: not a single one of the head coaches that have passed through the revolving door here since 2009 had previous affiliations with the org, nor did the abject failure of a GM that preceded MacT.

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It's funny how the people who rag on Mac T for not solving our problems have no comment with respect to the position he's in, based on Tamblowe's tank job.

I'm sure GMs were licking their chops in the fall, wondering if Mac would be desperate enough to deal Eberle or Yakupov for cents on the dollar.

He's operating from a position of weakness overall, and yet has made improvements to the team.

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