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02-14-2007, 10:41 AM
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But in a bigger city, with bigger nightclubs more experienced in handling VIP clientel, NHL stars can go out and party withs ome measure of privacy.
I'm not so sure about that...when I was living down in Victoria, you could hear LOTS of scuttlebutt in the 90's about Pavel Bure's exploits in the Vancouver nightclubs, some say one of the big reasons he wanted out of Vancouver was because of his personal laundry being inspected nightly by the call-in shows.

As I recall, Stephane Richer also had similar issues in his Montreal days as well.

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No it hasn't a few delusional posters who've never been outside Edmonton is not a consensus. No matter how you swing it Toronto is a better destination than Edmonton is, or ever will be in the distant future. Toronto offers 3 major professional sports( the only city in Canada to have have a Team in the NHL, NBA and MLB), is Canadians Economic and financial hub, boasts 32 Nation Historic Sites., extremely diverse demographics, home of the National ballet of Canada, The Canadian Opera Company, Four Seasons Centre for the Performing Arts, Roy Thomson Hall, the Princess of Wales Theatre, the Royal Alexandra Theatre, Massey Hall, the Toronto Centre for the Arts, the Elgin Theatre, the Winter Garden Theatre and the Hummingbird Centre, is also home to the Royal Museum of Ontario.

Night life is far more than just Bars, clubs and restaurants.


you are delusional if you think Edmonton and Toronto are on par with each other.
And how much of that appeals to the average hockey player?

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You want tangibles? Go to your local bookstore and stroll into the travel section. Pull out the Lonely Planet Edmonton and then pull out the Lonely Planet for Vancouver or Toronto or NY or LA or even Calgary. Then, once you have a book in each hand, check to see which one is heaviest
I am trying hard to not engage in the 'my city is better than your city' debate but just as a general point, I don't think the tourism aspect is relevant when discussing what each city is like to live in.

For example, I think Toronto is a fantastic place to visit. There are tonnes of touristy things to do. Prior to living there, I had visited the place often and tried a number of different things. When I did live there I did none of it because once you do it once, you've done it.

Night clubs and all that stuff are obviously plentiful and as a visitor I have tried alot of different ones. When I lived there I went to the same ones over and over, just like here in Edmonton. My regular hangouts suited my tastes, were close to where I lived. I went to the same ones over and over there for the same reasons I went to the same ones over and over here.

The cultural differences were obvious. What was also obvious was that the pockets of different ethinic groups were well defined and in many instances they were seperate communities within the different cities of greater Toronto. It wasn't a great multicultural love in that it is often referenced to but instead a series of closed off communities. Some of the people I have met would actually think it was an accomplishemnt that they once went to North York from Mississsauga in the same manner that I thought it was an accomplishment that I drove from Edmonton to Toronto.

I think that both places offer very similar things to each other in the sense of actually living in each place. There are some offsetting things that one place can brag about over the other BUT it by no means really equals some of the polarized arguments that get thrown out nonchalantly as if one place is a no brainer over the other.

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Remember when this thread used to be about players not wanting to play in Edmonton because their salaries keep getting thrown in their face by the fanbase and/or management?

I liked those days, they were cool.
Yup fragile players and their inability to be accountable for the money they make. I would love to be in a position where I made millions of dollars and not have to answer to anyone for poor performance...the kicker is they still get paid if they play bad...to bad all players never had 2 way contracts...see how many players would be giving a 100% to keep the big money and not travel in a bus!

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He basically said nobody wants to play for the oilers (he did preface this by saying he'd be hung by the people out there for saying it). He said there's so much pressure and a lot of it has to do with the focus on salaries. Every time someone makes a mistake or has a bad game their salary is brought up and the validity of their contracts is brought up. He siad the players grow sick of it and don't wanna play there.

I think he's full of it, but then again, he WAS right about the Pronger thing and judging by this site, I think he might be right. After all, aren't we the busiest board on here?
whats wrong with bringing it up? if people making a fraction of your pay are playing better then u then it should be known to u.. guys like pisani, horcoff and moreau should know that they'll be criticized if they dont produce while making the big bucks. Its normal for every profession (except govt jobs)
Pronger didnt have such pressure because the fans knew that he was worth every penny of what he was making.

if u dont want fans judging players by how they are making then either make all that information disclosed orrr take a little less then what u r worth on the market. (ie lupul, hemsky)

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And how much of that appeals to the average hockey player?
how does having to huddle up in front of a heater for months on end appeal do the average hockey player? read the question i was replying to, then take your head out of your ass

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I've lived in Toronto for a few years now. It has pretty good night-life, and is an OK city. People who would choose Toronto over Montreal or Vancouver baffle me a little though. To each their own I guess.

One thing to think about though is that alot of people who want to go to Toronto, are originally from Southern Ontario though. I think there is a bit of a tendency forpeople to want to go 'home', and there really are alot of players from Southern Ontario, most of whome have an affinity for Toronto, even if they didn't grow up here.

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how does having to huddle up in front of a heater for months on end appeal do the average hockey player? read the question i was replying to, then take your head out of your ass
Oh weird, my pompous ass alarm went buzzing.

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Oh weird, my pompous ass alarm went buzzing.
way to contribute nothing

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way to contribute nothing
Yet telling someone to take their head out of their ass is some great revelation to the topic at hand? Logic is tricky I supppose.

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I am trying hard to not engage in the 'my city is better than your city' debate but just as a general point, I don't think the tourism aspect is relevant when discussing what each city is like to live in.
Fair point. And I would never move to Toronto myself either, because I do enjoy Edmonton as a nice place live. But I think it's important to remember that we're not talking about people who are low-middle class. Low-midde class people need to be more far more concerned about things like safety, quality of schools, and that kind of thing, but only because they don't have the financial resources to buy that sense of security or quality of education like NHL players can. I think, all things being equal, it would be better to be rich in a city like Toronto or LA, then it would be to be rich in a city like Edmonton.

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My problem with what is being said

I admitt being from Edmonton--I had some tough times there and that does reflect my view of the city


But I remember Mark Lamb, Kelly Buchberger and a few other players that I met through a mutual friend and they loved the city

the pressure has always been there

and players are treated like gods

In Vanouver players are treated just like the players in Edmonton and just as mean

one of the reason why the Grizzlies could survive is that Vancouver is a hockey town and players take blows away from the ice when the team sucks

So with that jerk wade saying that players do not want to play in Edmonton is him being a mouth piece for "all players want to play in toronto" crap that is starting

although it is -18 in edmonton and that causes me to look for my jacket and a hot coco

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What I find amusing about this topic (and by that I mean the original topic of this thread, the whole "Your city sux and here's why" dissertations bore me because I've heard them a thousand times before) is that some players supposedly can't stand playing here because their salaries get shoved in their faces when they don't perform up to the expectations those paychecks bring.

They have nobody to blame but their union forefathers, who were the ones that fought tooth and nail for salary disclosure nearly 20 years ago.

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What I find amusing about this topic (and by that I mean the original topic of this thread, the whole "Your city sux and here's why" dissertations bore me because I've heard them a thousand times before) is that some players supposedly can't stand playing here because their salaries get shoved in their faces when they don't perform up to the expectations those paychecks bring.

They have nobody to blame but their union forefathers, who were the ones that fought tooth and nail for salary disclosure nearly 20 years ago.
Im not saying Edmonton Suck in any way, I'm saying implying Edmonton offers just as much as Toronto is ridiculous and delusional.

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I hate Edmonton winters and would rather be some place where winters are half as long. That being said, we could compare Edmonton at 1million people to back when Toronto was at 1 million people. When Toronto.. sorry, the "T'dot" had the same population, Toronto only had an NHL team and a CFL team. I bet Edmonton had more to offer at 1 Million people than Toronto ever did at the same population. I'd go with Edmonton having the bigger bang for its buck.

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Fair point. And I would never move to Toronto myself either, because I do enjoy Edmonton as a nice place live. But I think it's important to remember that we're not talking about people who are low-middle class. Low-midde class people need to be more far more concerned about things like safety, quality of schools, and that kind of thing, but only because they don't have the financial resources to buy that sense of security or quality of education like NHL players can. I think, all things being equal, it would be better to be rich in a city like Toronto or LA, then it would be to be rich in a city like Edmonton.
Let's be realistic here, this thread no longer has anything to do with being rich and in one city over the other. This thread is more about the short sightedness and insecurities of the individual posters that are commenting.

The whole hockey player angle is just a masking tool.

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And I think it's gotten far enough off topic that it can be quashed.

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