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02-26-2014, 11:12 PM
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Toffoli, Pearson and Vey are all more of what the Oil already have too much of. I don't get the deal with LA, they don't really have anything available that makes sense to deal Gagner for.

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FYI...The LA Kings are looking at both Tyler Toffoli and Tanner Pearson with Kyle Clifford a scratch



I don't like whatever Bob is hinting at here.
Kyle Clifford COME ON DOWN! It could also mean that they want to get one last read on a guy like Pearson before possibly dealing him.

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I'd do Hemsky for Pearson...

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I really think MacT meant that he wants the Oilers' pick back. Clifford and the Oilers 3rd coming back? Anyone know of any interesting RFA's this summer?

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02-26-2014, 11:42 PM
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I really think MacT meant that he wants the Oilers' pick back. Clifford and the Oilers 3rd coming back? Anyone know of any interesting RFA's this summer?
Quite a few.

O'Reilly, Berglund, Gudbranson, Schenn, Subban, Del Zotto, Kulikov, Johansen, Kreider and Gardiner are probably the most notable.

http://capgeek.com/free-agents/?year...1&fa_type_id=1

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02-26-2014, 11:53 PM
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I would definitely make a stab at O'Reilly.

Having him on this team would change everything.

Hall-O'Reilly-Yakupov
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Perron-Gordon-Clifford
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That's a way better forward core than what we have now.

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02-27-2014, 12:03 AM
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I would definitely make a stab at O'Reilly.

Having him on this team would change everything.

Hall-O'Reilly-Yakupov
XXX-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gordon-Clifford
Lander-Hendricks-Pitlick

That's a way better forward core than what we have now.
Meh.. good player but that would be too pricey considering his current cap hit. If you're making an offer sheet that involves 4 1st's might as well offer it to Subban. The RFA route is something I hope MacT looks to though. I really believe this is the off-season we can start to sacrifice some of the future for moves that will significantly change this roster and make us a legit playoff team. Draft picks and someone like Klefbom should be dangled as bait in part of a package/signing.

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02-27-2014, 12:07 AM
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Kyle Clifford COME ON DOWN! It could also mean that they want to get one last read on a guy like Pearson before possibly dealing him.
Blech.

Well looks like that's that.

I think after the deadline the Oilers run with

Hall-RNH-Yak
Perron-Lander-Eberle
Hendricks-Gordon-Clifford
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Lander has been ripping up the AHL as OKC's #1 center so I think you have to give him a shot in a top 6 role. We really have NO ONE to replace Gagner though which is why I hate the thought of Clifford and a pick for him; that and I think Clifford is an overrated coke machine.

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I just don't understand the rush to trade him? I mean, Clifford and one of Pearson or Toffoli is decent value but shouldn't we be in a position to package Gagner with one of our own prospects for something more significant? The off-season would be a better time to shop him. Does his NMC kick in during the off-season or start of season?

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FYI...The LA Kings are looking at both Tyler Toffoli and Tanner Pearson with Kyle Clifford a scratch

If Bob is hinting it's Pearson, Toffoli and Clifford, I do that deal and RUN!
LA didn't win a Stanley Cup by being stupid, no chance its all 3. Clifford and 1 of the 2 for Gagner with retention maybe.

It could be they're looking at different lineup configurations to see who they can do without.

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02-27-2014, 12:14 AM
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I just don't understand the rush to trade him? I mean, Clifford and one of Pearson or Toffoli is decent value but shouldn't we be in a position to package Gagner with one of our own prospects for something more significant? The off-season would be a better time to shop him.
I don't get it either. The only thing I can think of for hurrying is trying to trade him before his NTC kicks in.

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02-27-2014, 12:16 AM
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I just don't understand the rush to trade him? I mean, Clifford and one of Pearson or Toffoli is decent value but shouldn't we be in a position to package Gagner with one of our own prospects for something more significant? The off-season would be a better time to shop him. Does his NMC kick in during the off-season or start of season?
Because Clifford is EXACTLY what we need

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I don't get it either. The only thing I can think of for hurrying is trying to trade him before his NTC kicks in.
That's what I'm thinking as well. Makes sense.

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I really think MacT meant that he wants the Oilers' pick back. Clifford and the Oilers 3rd coming back? Anyone know of any interesting RFA's this summer?
Offer sheets would be using the Oilers 2015 picks, none of which have been moved I believe.

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02-27-2014, 12:21 AM
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Offer sheets would be using the Oilers 2015 picks, none of which have been moved I believe.
Ya we still have all our picks from 2015

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Because Clifford is EXACTLY what we need
Trading a 2nd line center for a meat wagon with a concussion and 5 points is not exactly what we need.

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Trading a 2nd line center for a meat wagon with a concussion and 5 points is not exactly what we need.
You could also look at it as trading a redundant player (who I do like, and defend) for a younger, bigger, stronger, drastically more physical player, who's shown promise when given a more offensive role, and who outscored King last year (who everyone wants for some reason). Not to mention it wouldn't be a straight up deal.

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Trading a 2nd line center for a meat wagon with a concussion and 5 points is not exactly what we need.
Quoting myself I know, weird, but the parallels between Clifford and Moroz are pretty crazy. Same size, both second rounders, both really upped their game in the last year of junior. The difference is Clifford hasn't been the same player the last couple of years and I wouldn't bet on him finding his form. Anyone saying things like 'could play top 6 in a pinch' or 'he's being held down in LA' should take a long hard look at JF Jacques game film when Pat Quinn had him on the top line. I think that's what we're getting. God I hope I'm wrong.

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Trading a 2nd line center for a meat wagon with a concussion and 5 points is not exactly what we need.

Agreed. Third line wingers are dime a dozen compared to a second line center.

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You could also look at it as trading a redundant player (who I do like, and defend) for a younger, bigger, stronger, drastically more physical player, who's shown promise when given a more offensive role, and who outscored King last year (who everyone wants for some reason). Not to mention it wouldn't be a straight up deal.
For the pieces rumored I still dont like it at all. This is like killing a spider with a flamethrower, you're fixing a problem (bottom 6 size) but creating a bigger one (no one at all to play center on the second line...or center, period) have we forgotten we've been having to play a 38 year old LW at center most of the year?

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What exactly does Clifford bring that wouldn't be achieved by re-calling Ben Eager?

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Trevor Lewis
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Colin Fraser
Ryan Carter

Are all Free Agents this offseason. Most of better than Clifford. Some offer less grit, but make up for it in other aspects. Some will cost more (Bolland).

But none will cost Gagner.

Let Gagner play out the rest of the season (hes shown improvements that last couple games), raise his value back up to a respective level and deal him for a second liner with size

Not to mention a guy like Horak is probaly NHL ready next season, and will probaly be better than Clifford.

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For the pieces rumored I still dont like it at all. This is like killing a spider with a flamethrower, you're fixing a problem (bottom 6 size) but creating a bigger one (no one at all to play center on the second line...or center, period) have we forgotten we've been having to play a 38 year old LW at center most of the year?
A 38 year old left wing who happens to be very capable at adapting to different roles, and is surprisingly good at faceoffs... We don't have to play Smyth at center. We could be using one of multiple players. The role of 2C could be filled by Arcobello for the rest of the year, or even give Lander a shot to prove he can produce when he's not stuck being the 4th line center

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If the Flyers were interest in Eberle, I would pull the trigger if the deal included Wayne Simmonds and a 1st Rd. pick. Wayne Simmonds is an absolute beast and is exactly the kind of player the Oilers could use in the second line.

This guy truly plays with his heart on his sleeves unlike a lot of cup cakes on the team.

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Trevor Lewis
Jay Mcclement
Dave Bolland
Shawn Thorton
John Mitchell
Colin Fraser
Ryan Carter

Are all Free Agents this offseason. Most of better than Clifford. Some offer less grit, but make up for it in other aspects. Some will cost more (Bolland).

But none will cost Gagner.

Let Gagner play out the rest of the season (hes shown improvements that last couple games), raise his value back up to a respective level and deal him for a second liner with size

Not to mention a guy like Horak is probaly NHL ready next season, and will probaly be better than Clifford.
You didn't actually just suggest we sign Fraser again did you? (He's not even in the NHL) Bolland wants to be paid like a quality 2nd liner, Thornton is close to retirement, etc. The only good fit there is McClement, but he's a 4th liner. Clifford should be more than that.

Edit: Lewis would be a good pickup, but he fills a different role
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What exactly does Clifford bring that wouldn't be achieved by re-calling Ben Eager?
You mean aside from hitting, fighting, scoring, and defense?

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