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02-27-2014, 01:41 PM
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Stepan is overrated, but you don't move him for Kesler. We'd become a very old hockey team, very quickly.

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I don't see why not. And shut down d-men are great to have, but we need a more offensive minded guy. Vatanen is that.
Do we think Anaheim trades Vatanen for an unsigned Girardi? I really hate to make such a blind guess but do we think the reason Girardi hasn't signed is because it is a sign and trade with Anaheim and Slats wants to get more from Anaheim?

Girardi + 3rd for Vatanen + OTT 1st.

Maybe Anaheim only wants to give their 1st and Slats wants OTT first?

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As for the teams Defence. I don't believe that Girardi is the glue that some are lending him.

Do I believe that Vatanen is the answer? I can't say yes or no.

I believe we have solid defensive defenceman in Staal, McD, Klein. I like the hybrids in Stralman and Moore and while I do like Girardi, if you told me we could get a slick skating defenceman with a good outlet pass and good shot from the point I don't think that our overall team defence is hampered that much.

You can't play Vatanen with Moore so the pairings would be:

McDonagh - Stralman
Staal - Vatanen
Moore - Klein.

I have NO problem with that defence.

Especially if we can get, in addition to Vatanen, DSP and a 1st (perfer the Ottawa pick)

DSP is a BIG man-child that I would play with Brass and Zuccs. Pouliot would be stuck in the press box (and that's taking into considerign that he has played well over the last 2 months.

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Nope. Knowing how AV is fond of and seemingly invested in Puliot, dont see him moving off that line. Kreider best not be going anywhere. If Boyle's here, he's 4th line LW or C, but only if Moore comes out.

So, that's why, it's tight.
I'd move Boyle this deadline regardless of any external factor. His minutes can be replaced while making the team faster. Very valuable player, just not a must have like he was the last couple of years.

Teams overpay for players like him, and all the contenders can find a way to fit him in under the cap.

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Even though I do agree with him being overrated in NY, you still don't move him for Ryan Kesler.
Why not? Kesler is a way better player.

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Do we think Anaheim trades Vatanen for an unsigned Girardi? I really hate to make such a blind guess but do we think the reason Girardi hasn't signed is because it is a sign and trade with Anaheim and Slats wants to get more from Anaheim?

Girardi + 3rd for Vatanen + OTT 1st.
posting in the trade board, I didn't see much opposition to the following

Girardi (signed) for Vatanen, DSP and the Ott 1st.

I think a signed Girardi is worth that at least.

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Why not? Kesler is a way better player.
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Why not? Kesler is a way better player.
Older and on his way to breaking down.

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Do we think Anaheim trades Vatanen for an unsigned Girardi? I really hate to make such a blind guess but do we think the reason Girardi hasn't signed is because it is a sign and trade with Anaheim and Slats wants to get more from Anaheim?

Girardi + 3rd for Vatanen + OTT 1st.
By all accounts Girardi is pretty well regarded around the league and a good prospect for a 1st pairing rental isn't crazy...the Ducks most likely believe they're a contender and adding a minute eating steady vet defenseman could be a big priority for them...enough to move a smaller offensive defenseman, especially since they already have Fowler and isn't Lindholm also panning out as a good potential puck mover?

That said...if the Rangers could acquire someone like Vatanen without moving Girardi I'd be much more interested

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Why not? Kesler is a way better player.
As well as way older. Trading for MSL is one thing, swapping Stepan for Kesler is borderline nauseating.

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As for the teams Defence. I don't believe that Girardi is the glue that some are lending him.

Do I believe that Vatanen is the answer? I can't say yes or no.

I believe we have solid defensive defenceman in Staal, McD, Klein. I like the hybrids in Stralman and Moore and while I do like Girardi, if you told me we could get a slick skating defenceman with a good outlet pass and good shot from the point I don't think that our overall team defence is hampered that much.

You can't play Vatanen with Moore so the pairings would be:

McDonagh - Stralman
Staal - Vatanen
Moore - Klein.

I have NO problem with that defence.

Especially if we can get, in addition to Vatanen, DSP and a 1st (perfer the Ottawa pick)

DSP is a BIG man-child that I would play with Brass and Zuccs. Pouliot would be stuck in the press box (and that's taking into considerign that he has played well over the last 2 months.
DSP can still play in the minors. His development curve is very similar to Nino Neiderreiter's. Not as skilled perhaps, but is scoring at a 40 goal clip in the AHL this season.

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Do we think Anaheim trades Vatanen for an unsigned Girardi? I really hate to make such a blind guess but do we think the reason Girardi hasn't signed is because it is a sign and trade with Anaheim and Slats wants to get more from Anaheim?

Girardi + 3rd for Vatanen + OTT 1st.

Maybe Anaheim only wants to give their 1st and Slats wants OTT first?
Unfortunately, no. IMO.

Girardi could fetch a huge return, even as a rental, but I think the Ducks want to hang on to Sami.

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Don't shoot me but I'd move Stepan for Kesler + a solid C prospect.

edit: Did not see his injury history until now... better be one hell of a prospect

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Kesler is not the Kesler from 2009-2011. hes torn labrums in both his shoulder and hip, as well as having other fractured bones/minor injuries. It would be a mistake to give up significant value to acquire this 29 year old Kesler.

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Derek Stepan is an extremely overrated hockey player by this fan base.
In what sense?

Not in the sense of trading him for a broken down Kesler, I hope.

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Kesler is not the Kesler from 2009-2011. hes torn labrums in both his shoulder and hip, as well as having other fractured bones/minor injuries. It would be a mistake to give up significant value to acquire this 29 year old Kesler.
Yeah we're all ready to jetison Callahan because we think he'll break down quickly, but now people want Kesler who is already breaking down quickly...there's a lot to like abotu Kesler's game but I'd honestly rather keep Stepan

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I'd move Boyle this deadline regardless of any external factor. ..... Teams overpay for players like him, and all the contenders can find a way to fit him in under the cap.
True teams would overpay a bit, but in what form? Another mid-round pick? Rangers dont need that.

If you're telling me we could get a terrific young offensive d-man for Boyle, gotta consider it. Or if you want to upgrade to a Glencross, great, though that'd be pricey and seems like overkill for a 4th liner.

Otherwise, Boyle's one of them there glue guys, versatile, and they need the size with another smurf incoming LOL.

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In what sense?

Not in the sense of trading him for a broken down Kesler, I hope.
Six months ago he was a legit #1 center....

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posting in the trade board, I didn't see much opposition to the following

Girardi (signed) for Vatanen, DSP and the Ott 1st.

I think a signed Girardi is worth that at least.
As long as we were to get Vatanen and the Ott 1st I don't mind. As others have pointed out although it may be a small chance, any lottery chance is a good one. I would still prefer to sign Girardi but that is just me.

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in the past 3 seasons kesler averages .65 PPG. Stepan over that time span averages .68 PPG. Stepan is probably a better defensive player at this time as well and is 6 years younger. Trading Stepan for Kesler is idiotic.

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To answer your question, there's no way the Ducks trade Vatanen for an unsigned Girardi.

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To answer your question, there's no way the Ducks trade Vatanen for an unsigned Girardi.
You're probably wrong.

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You're probably wrong.
Save the post. We finally agree.

I think we can get Vatanen for unsigned Girardi, and then some.

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This is classic, Stepan for Kesler. Stepan is 23 years old. Kesler is on his way into Callahan territory, except seemingly at a faster pace.

It's theories like these that hold the Rangers back. Trading budding young players like Steps for aging, injury prone vets like Kesler.

I'll gladly sit back and laugh when we trade Stepan and he turns into another Marc Savard for a rival.

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