HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Notices

St Louis vs Kesler..

View Poll Results: Who would you rather trade for?
Martin St Louis 61 53.51%
Ryan Kesler 21 18.42%
Depends on the asking price 24 21.05%
Neither 8 7.02%
Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-27-2014, 10:43 PM
  #26
Callahan Auto
Rational Police
 
Callahan Auto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 1,574
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by trilobyte View Post
Spezza is the last player I would want to see come to the Rangers. I don't consider him a true #1 CentreMan these days. I am not sure if you and I have different ideas of the standards by which a centre is judged. I just don't like Spezza's game at all.
Sens fans are pretty lukewarm on him too. Still, he has 45 points in 55 games on a team that isn't great. I mentioned him specifically because he seems like the best center that could be available. Since mid-January, he's been PPG and he's around that for his career. He has his weaknesses but he'd give us some offensive punch at center that we don't currently have. Spezza-Stepan-Brassard up the middle would be very good.

Callahan Auto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2014, 10:43 PM
  #27
Rangerfan4life90
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: College Point, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,460
vCash: 500
Could Fasth, McI/Skjei, and a 2nd round pick (or some sort of conditional pick) work to get either MSL or Kesler?

Rangerfan4life90 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2014, 10:44 PM
  #28
Callahan Auto
Rational Police
 
Callahan Auto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 1,574
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangerfan4life90 View Post
Could Fasth, McI/Skjei, and a 2nd round pick (or some sort of conditional pick) work to get either MSL or Kesler?
I would hope MSL would come for far less. Kesler could command a package like that, but I wouldn't like that either. McI and especially Skjei should be close to off the table.

Callahan Auto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2014, 11:11 PM
  #29
SERE 24
LGR
 
SERE 24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 9,779
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HatTrick Swayze View Post

In my ideal world, the Rangers would trade for neither. Swap Callahan for young assets. In the real world, MSL will be a Ranger.
So much this. St. Louis comes out and declares he wants to be a Ranger but whoever said we want him? I mean, if it was just a matter of "hey, um, I'm gonna go suit up for them now" then obviously he'd be welcome but since it's not that simple and we have to give Yzerman something he'll accept, who says we want St. Louis? Were we thinking about inquiring about him prior to this whole circus? Why are we spending assets other than Callahan (theoretically) to acquire him just because he said he wants to play for us?

If a 5M left handed D said he wanted to play for us, would we go out and move picks/prospects/etc. to get them, even though we already have Staal and McD? Especially if that D was 38? Sure, our offensive depth isn't quite as rich, but I would much rather stick to the plan from two weeks ago, which was moving Callahan for young assets. I love St. Louis and think he's great, but I don't actually think at his age he fits the plan. Why expend young assets to get 1.5 years of St. Louis? It doesn't put us over the top or something. I'm not feeling it, at all.

As for Kesler, love him too but he's starting to break down and Vancouver's supposed asking price is much too high, so pass there as well. Voted neither.

SERE 24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2014, 11:40 PM
  #30
Barnaby
Registered User
 
Barnaby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Port Jefferson, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,428
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangerfan4life90 View Post
Could Fasth, McI/Skjei, and a 2nd round pick (or some sort of conditional pick) work to get either MSL or Kesler?
Nope. Those are just secondary pieces.

The hope is that Callahan is an integral part in a St Louis trade. I can't see Vancouver being in on Callahan considering their play this season. Vancouver is going to want a hell of a package.

St Louis makes the most sense here - if anyone.

Barnaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2014, 11:41 PM
  #31
Barnaby
Registered User
 
Barnaby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Port Jefferson, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,428
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Callahan Auto View Post
I would hope MSL would come for far less. Kesler could command a package like that, but I wouldn't like that either. McI and especially Skjei should be close to off the table.
That doesn't get it done for either guy. Two medium prospects and a 2nd wouldn't even get you a rental of a player that caliber.

Barnaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2014, 11:54 PM
  #32
haveandare
Registered User
 
haveandare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 5,739
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowblindNYR View Post
Let me put it this way. I trust the 38 year old St. Louis to not breakdown in the near future way more than Kesler. He's also the much better player now.
This exactly.

Plus, this team needs a dynamic scorer way more than they need a great defensive center in my opinion, even in the short term. And If there's an opportunity to get a player like that at a discount because of circumstance, I think that's the way to go.

haveandare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 12:12 AM
  #33
FromTheSide
Registered User
 
FromTheSide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 22,033
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to FromTheSide Send a message via MSN to FromTheSide
MSL and it's not even close.

FromTheSide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 12:27 PM
  #34
shoves
Free orangejuice?
 
shoves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 151
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos Ranger View Post
Both. The Sather way.
This

shoves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 12:41 PM
  #35
Off Sides
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 873
vCash: 580
Quote:
Originally Posted by HatTrick Swayze View Post
In my ideal world, the Rangers would trade for neither. Swap Callahan for young assets. In the real world, MSL will be a Ranger.
I agree with this, I just am not a big fan of any of the ideas that there is a window, or this is the year, or whatever. Just keep building until the window is always open and every year could be the year for real.

Off Sides is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 12:43 PM
  #36
GregSirico
PUCK LUCK
 
GregSirico's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,687
vCash: 500
MSL would cost LESS, have more VALUE, and is less RISK more REWARD. This is a no brainer.

GregSirico is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 12:44 PM
  #37
GregSirico
PUCK LUCK
 
GregSirico's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,687
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlos ranger View Post
both. The sather way.
lulz!!!

GregSirico is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 01:25 PM
  #38
GWOW
Two Pucks, One Cup
 
GWOW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Country: United States
Posts: 13,952
vCash: 500
Kreider, Nash and Kesler on one line would be interesting.

MSL and Richards as well.

The power play has been decent. PK will take a hit if Callahan goes.

Id rather have MSL for one than Kesler for two.

GWOW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 01:30 PM
  #39
SlapshotTheMovie
Registered User
 
SlapshotTheMovie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 270
vCash: 500
Asking price to be honest. Both can fill a void and do a good job. Both are on a time frame of decline we wont know until its too late. Realistically who ever is cheaper would be a cool addition to the NYR.

SlapshotTheMovie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 01:44 PM
  #40
shoves
Free orangejuice?
 
shoves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 151
vCash: 500
Kesler's got the grit. I love grit. This team needs grit. Grit.

shoves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 01:47 PM
  #41
RGY
(Jagr68NYR94Leetch)
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 8,000
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shoves View Post
Kesler's got the grit. I love grit. This team needs grit. Grit.
Well you love Sean Avery. You also said Steve Downie was "delicious" in another thread. I think it's safe to say you'd be best friends with punkrocknyc and you let this tough guy mantra get to your head too much.

Kesler is 30 years old and has been battling injuries.

Rather have MSL at 38 years old. Elite scorer. He has missed just 7 games since 2002-2003.

RGY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 01:49 PM
  #42
ck20
Registered User
 
ck20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 1,125
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangerfan4life90 View Post
Could Fasth, McI/Skjei, and a 2nd round pick (or some sort of conditional pick) work to get either MSL or Kesler?
The Pens are apparently offering Sutter and a prospect named Derek Pouliot, so I doubt 2 prospects with like 4 games of NHL experience between the 2 of them and a pick would pique their interest at all.

http://snyrangersblog.com/znhl-playe...t-ryan-kesler/

VAN is apparently looking for someone who's under 25, playing ~18m a night, premier offensive player. So we're out of the running unless we're offering guys like Kreider+++.

ck20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 02:50 PM
  #43
SlapshotTheMovie
Registered User
 
SlapshotTheMovie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 270
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ck20 View Post
The Pens are apparently offering Sutter and a prospect named Derek Pouliot, so I doubt 2 prospects with like 4 games of NHL experience between the 2 of them and a pick would pique their interest at all.

http://snyrangersblog.com/znhl-playe...t-ryan-kesler/

VAN is apparently looking for someone who's under 25, playing ~18m a night, premier offensive player. So we're out of the running unless we're offering guys like Kreider+++.

I don't think we need to meet that asking price. To be fair most teams willing to sacrifice a prospect for him cant afford his cap hit this season anyway so i really doubt he is moving.

SlapshotTheMovie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 02:52 PM
  #44
Ih8theislanders
Full-kit ****ers
 
Ih8theislanders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bronx,NY
Country: United States
Posts: 13,410
vCash: 500
Definitely MSL. Kesler is probably my favorite non-Ranger, but it's obvious he's already starting to deteriorate. Plus he'll probably cost more.

Ih8theislanders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 04:08 PM
  #45
ericmgomes
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: NY
Country: United States
Posts: 37
vCash: 500
Is this really a question? St. Louis *HANDS DOWN*

ericmgomes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 04:27 PM
  #46
True NYR Blue
Registered User
 
True NYR Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: CT/DC
Country: United States
Posts: 12
vCash: 500
St. Louis

MSL. No brainer.

True NYR Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 04:31 PM
  #47
shoves
Free orangejuice?
 
shoves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 151
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RGY View Post
Well you love Sean Avery. You also said Steve Downie was "delicious" in another thread. I think it's safe to say you'd be best friends with punkrocknyc and you let this tough guy mantra get to your head too much.
You are completely correct, my man!
That being said, im not all brainwashed by the tough guys. Its just that i appreciate those who manage to both be gritty and productive players. I appreciate it, but im not demanding it. I got some strong feelings for several non-physical players too.

shoves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 04:53 PM
  #48
bernmeister
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,956
vCash: 500
Depends upon the price.

Key is not to overpay for either.

bernmeister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2014, 06:02 PM
  #49
dethomas07
Registered User
 
dethomas07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: New York, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 1,204
vCash: 500
kesler for sure.. need that top 6 center, and he has the size, gritt, heart and everything we need to be force in the east.. yeah he get hurt, play may be on the decline.. hes signed 2 more years at 5m.. no brainer..

they would want a center: Callahan, Brass, Dorsett, Lindbger/fast, conditional 1st for kesler, booth (most i'd give, no stepan)

2014-2015
Hags-Kesler-MZA
Kreider-Step-Nash
Booth-Miller-Kristo
Boyle-Moore-Carcillo

dethomas07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:52 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.