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02-28-2014, 05:51 AM
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Eakins post Minny game: "For both teams, that was an ugly hockey game."

Shut your idiotic pie hole Dallas. Wrong. That was an ugly game for one team, and it wasn't for the one that shut you out 3-0. How this guy justifies himself and how he gets management support is beyond me.

I wish I had seats closer to the ice. My jersey would be going over the glass.

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So I was questioning the line configs in the GDT hours before puck drop.

Because they were complete *********.

1)Lets place 3 number 1 picks all on the same first line for **** and giggles and make it super easy for Minny to just be concerned with that line. Also note that Yak has not had chemistry with RNH at any point.

2)When I saw the Eberle Gagner Hemsky line I cried out in pain. Probably due to Oiler related bile-acid reflux. Like I stated who was going to forecheck, battle in corners, sustain puck possession on this line? Who?
This is a disaster line and I don't know any time where Gagner Hemsky have had any chemistry. Conversely I'll note Gagner Yak are at least capable of offense as a pairing. This line put together could be the all wimp line in the entire NHL. Minny probably just laughing when they saw that.

3)Lets bury our prolific goal scorer, Perron, on the 3rd line because he does great anywhere on the topsix. I dunno, just because, maybe punishment for not making the Olympics..

4)Not too curiously the only line that competed on the night was the 4th line. Nice effort there boys, but its the only line Eakins didn't screw over.

These were garbage lines from the outset and we got shut out on home ice.

How in hell is Eakins still an NHL coach?

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So I was questioning the line configs in the GDT hours before puck drop.

Because they were complete *********.

1)Lets place 3 number 1 picks all on the same first line for **** and giggles and make it super easy for Minny to just be concerned with that line. Also note that Yak has not had chemistry with RNH at any point.

2)When I saw the Eberle Gagner Hemsky line I cried out in pain. Probably due to Oiler related bile-acid reflux. Like I stated who was going to forecheck, battle in corners, sustain puck possession on this line? Who?
This is a disaster line and I don't know any time where Gagner Hemsky have had any chemistry. Conversely I'll note Gagner Yak are at least capable of offense as a pairing. This line put together could be the all wimp line in the entire NHL. Minny probably just laughing when they saw that.

3)Lets bury our prolific goal scorer, Perron, on the 3rd line because he does great anywhere on the topsix. I dunno, just because, maybe punishment for not making the Olympics..

4)Not too curiously the only line that competed on the night was the 4th line. Nice effort there boys, but its the only line Eakins didn't screw over.

These were garbage lines from the outset and we got shut out on home ice.

How in hell is Eakins still an NHL coach?
Pretty sure they're just showcasing Hemsky and Gagner right now and trying to give them top 6 minutes. Other than that, I don't see any other reason to have Hemsky play on his wrong wing and move Perron down to the 3rd line.

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02-28-2014, 10:14 AM
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Fire Eakins

I was originally thinking since this season is lost it doesn't really matter anymore if we keep Eakins or not. If he does well good for team moving forward, if he does bad draft position improves. No harm no foul.

I just want my team to not look embarrassing anymore.

I am done with it.

The more time Eakins has with this team the worse it gets. Simple, pure, truth.

Fire him now. He is somehow making a bad team look even worse. Get someone with an IQ higher than a box of shreddies and see what happens the rest of the year.


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Pretty sure they're just showcasing Hemsky and Gagner right now and trying to give them top 6 minutes. Other than that, I don't see any other reason to have Hemsky play on his wrong wing and move Perron down to the 3rd line.
I think as we can both agree showcasing Gagner and Hemsky probably doesn't involve having them play with each other and Eberle.

Even as a Gagner fan I'm thinking that's some kind of pathetically unbalanced line.

Maybe the Oilers are trying to make Hemmer look bad so offers don't come in.

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02-28-2014, 11:14 AM
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Complacency.

The one thing the Oilers do different in their hiring and firing of coaches is wait until the off season. Which you would think makes sense but judging from how most coaching changes work completely ineffective.

Here is what I think now.

Eakins should be fired today. But won't be for the reasons you mention.

Eakins should be given until the 20-30 game mark to prove he can improve this team next year if he is not fired asap. But will most likely be let go in the offseason in another impulse move by Mac T. Some slick talking junior coach maybe this time.

New coach will be labeled just another mistake by the 20-30 game mark of the next season but because Mac T signed him for 5 years this time we will keep him at least one full season before firing him as well.

Isn't it the definition of insane to repeat yourself and expect different results?

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Was not impressed with wreck it Ralph last season, but this Eakins fellow makes Ralph look like a genius. Just ****ing awful.

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02-28-2014, 11:31 AM
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Pretty sure they're just showcasing Hemsky and Gagner right now and trying to give them top 6 minutes. Other than that, I don't see any other reason to have Hemsky play on his wrong wing and move Perron down to the 3rd line.
That's what I'd take out of it although nothing that Eakins does surprises me anymore.

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So lets consider this a bit.

Eakins spends a couple weeks scheming up systems, strategies, has the boys pull up chairs, hands out cokes, has the boys watch TC play perfect hockey going

"see boys that's the way to play hockey D first, remember D first"

FF to first game back against the wild at home and Eakins tinkered lines into 3 first pick kids playing together(won't that be fun) and a second line that is a complete defensive ****ing joke.

Not only that but by putting 3 wonderkids in one basket not only makes it easy for Minny to key on them but Eakins actually (once again) allows Minny to get their match with the Oilers topline being owned on the night. -2 and shutout.

KTFO in 2mins of first round.

Eakins puts a line together of kids that are chomping at the bit and within two minutes its Euthanasia. Game over.

These line configurations alone lost us the game before the puck was dropped.

Eakins put 2 lines together that he thought would be offensively oriented, (after strangely watching TC and saying D rules) and the topsix proceeds to get shut out and beatdown. **** this guy is an idiot.

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02-28-2014, 11:53 AM
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Doesn't help the kids are just as dumb. Can't teach them anything. No 2018 for any of them.

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So I was questioning the line configs in the GDT hours before puck drop.

Because they were complete *********.

1)Lets place 3 number 1 picks all on the same first line for **** and giggles and make it super easy for Minny to just be concerned with that line. Also note that Yak has not had chemistry with RNH at any point.

2)When I saw the Eberle Gagner Hemsky line I cried out in pain. Probably due to Oiler related bile-acid reflux. Like I stated who was going to forecheck, battle in corners, sustain puck possession on this line? Who?
This is a disaster line and I don't know any time where Gagner Hemsky have had any chemistry. Conversely I'll note Gagner Yak are at least capable of offense as a pairing. This line put together could be the all wimp line in the entire NHL. Minny probably just laughing when they saw that.

3)Lets bury our prolific goal scorer, Perron, on the 3rd line because he does great anywhere on the topsix. I dunno, just because, maybe punishment for not making the Olympics..

4)Not too curiously the only line that competed on the night was the 4th line. Nice effort there boys, but its the only line Eakins didn't screw over.

These were garbage lines from the outset and we got shut out on home ice.

How in hell is Eakins still an NHL coach?
BILE ACID REFLUX. best line in a while. Terrific stuff

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02-28-2014, 12:39 PM
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Ugh I wish vancouver would have got him and us Tortella, he would teach our kids something about defence.

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I wouldn't say the Oilers "battled" for Krueger. They're just even worse under Eakins' system.
This is it right here. Krueger wasn't a successful coach either but the team is worse under Eakins. Comparing the two like they were the only possible options isn't the right way to look at it. They were both bad choices.

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02-28-2014, 01:28 PM
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Eakins should be fired today. But won't be for the reasons you mention.
The only 2 good reasons I can think of for not firing him now is 1)to protect our draft position and 2) a full training camp might be the best starting point for the poor bugger who inherits this mess.


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Eakins should be given until the 20-30 game mark to prove he can improve this team next year if he is not fired asap.
The Oilers only had 10 points out of a possible 40 after 20 games played this season. I think it's too late at that point.

The Stars are in the last spot, on their way to approx 92 points this season. The Oilers would have 62 games left to get 82 more points, that's 41 wins and 21 losses, or a .666 win%. A 666 team finishes with 109 points, that's usually good enough for 1st in the league.


The right thing to do is fire Eakins immediately, I think we are all expecting to see major player trades instead.

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Doesn't help the kids are just as dumb. Can't teach them anything. No 2018 for any of them.

Yeah, that's totally the reason. Other team's players must have graduate degrees.

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Eakins does suck but everyone likes to b**** and complain about the current line combinations like everything else hasn't been tried and hasn't failed also.

So what's it going to take, 6 coaches in 7 years? 7 coaches in 8 years? or even longer to figure out that the Oilers failures run way deeper then any coach can fix..

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Renney+Krueger was probably the last NHL quality coaching setup we had. Krueger was an excellent #2 guy because of his technical expertise and Renney was actually able to line match and know his players strengths. Letting Tambo fire Renney to try to save his own job was a mistake by Lowe. Then Lowe followed that up by bringing his his buddy who made another coaching downgrade. Such a disaster of a team with no end of the disaster in sight.

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FF to first game back against the wild at home and Eakins tinkered lines into 3 first pick kids playing together(won't that be fun) and a second line that is a complete defensive ****ing joke.
From a statistical standpoint, Yakupov has been the Oilers worst defensive forward this season, by a large margin, Eberle has been around average for the team, and Hemsky has been very good.

54 ES and SH goals have been scored against Edm when Yakupov has been on the ice. 55 have been scored against when Eberle has been on the ice, but he has played 40% more ES minutes than Yakupov.

Only 36 have been scored against when Hemsky has been on the ice, even though he has played slightly more ES minutes than Yakupov.

Projected over a full season (1200 minutes, equivalent to 80 games of 15 mins of ES ice time per game), here are the total non-PP GA against each of the Oil fwds.

Yakupov 97
Gagner 82
Hall 76
RNH 72
Smyth 71
Eberle 70
Perron 69
Hemsky 61
Arcobello 60
Gordon 56


There may be a perception that Hemsky and Eberle don't battle in the corners, forecheck, or sustain possession, but fewer goals are scored against the team when Hemsky is on the ice, accounting for ice time, than are scored against when any other top 9 winger is on the ice.

Eberle is pretty much in the middle of the wingers.

Gagner has been the worst defensive center, but a line of Hemsky-Gagner-Eberle is actually better defensively than Hall-RNH-Yakupov (collective full-season GA of 213 vs. 245).

Maybe linemates, line matchups, and zone starts have influenced these numbers, but I doubt they have enough to explain the huge difference between Yakupov's GA totals and Hemsky's, for example.

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02-28-2014, 03:34 PM
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Yeah, that's totally the reason. Other team's players must have graduate degrees.
How many times can they drop pass to nobody before they figure out it doesn't work? Or cross ice pass through the neutral zone?

The coach may not be that good but at some point these players have to coach themselves and figure out that what they're doing isn't working. It's mind boggling how they are 4 years in and still making the same mistakes.

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Eakins post Minny game: "For both teams, that was an ugly hockey game."

Shut your idiotic pie hole Dallas. Wrong. That was an ugly game for one team, and it wasn't for the one that shut you out 3-0. How this guy justifies himself and how he gets management support is beyond me.

I wish I had seats closer to the ice. My jersey would be going over the glass.
That was a bad game for the Wild, they only beat the Oilers 3-0.

If they were samurai they would have all killed themselves by now.

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From a statistical standpoint, Yakupov has been the Oilers worst defensive forward this season, by a large margin, Eberle has been around average for the team, and Hemsky has been very good.

54 ES and SH goals have been scored against Edm when Yakupov has been on the ice. 55 have been scored against when Eberle has been on the ice, but he has played 40% more ES minutes than Yakupov.

Only 36 have been scored against when Hemsky has been on the ice, even though he has played slightly more ES minutes than Yakupov.

Projected over a full season (1200 minutes, equivalent to 80 games of 15 mins of ES ice time per game), here are the total non-PP GA against each of the Oil fwds.

Yakupov 97
Gagner 82
Hall 76
RNH 72
Smyth 71
Eberle 70
Perron 69
Hemsky 61
Arcobello 60
Gordon 56


There may be a perception that Hemsky and Eberle don't battle in the corners, forecheck, or sustain possession, but fewer goals are scored against the team when Hemsky is on the ice, accounting for ice time, than are scored against when any other top 9 winger is on the ice.

Eberle is pretty much in the middle of the wingers.

Gagner has been the worst defensive center, but a line of Hemsky-Gagner-Eberle is actually better defensively than Hall-RNH-Yakupov (collective full-season GA of 213 vs. 245).

Maybe linemates, line matchups, and zone starts have influenced these numbers, but I doubt they have enough to explain the huge difference between Yakupov's GA totals and Hemsky's, for example.
Hemsky plays with defensively strong players like Boyd Gordon, guys who can cover his lame defensive play like a puck rushing defenseman gets paired with a stay at home type. He just finished playing with Horc for ten years or whatever.

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This is it right here. Krueger wasn't a successful coach either but the team is worse under Eakins. Comparing the two like they were the only possible options isn't the right way to look at it. They were both bad choices.
How was Krueger unsuccessful? He did basically what was asked of him, have the team improve under his watch, which they did. The fact that he wasn't good enough to stick around here, but good enough to set up the gameplans for Team Canada is a bloody joke.

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How was Krueger unsuccessful? He did basically what was asked of him, have the team improve under his watch, which they did. The fact that he wasn't good enough to stick around here, but good enough to set up the gameplans for Team Canada is a bloody joke.
Had the year been a full one we all know where the Oilers would've finished. Completely gassed it after the TDL.

Also given that Team Canada employs Kevin Lowe I wouldn't think too highly of who they keep around.

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Had the year been a full one we all know where the Oilers would've finished. Completely gassed it after the TDL.

Also given that Team Canada employs Kevin Lowe I wouldn't think too highly of who they keep around.
Yeah, seeing as every media member and a bunch of Team Canada staff were praising the game plans that Kreuger set. But yeah, I'm sure a super strong defensive game plan (which is Kreuger's specialty) had nothing to do with Canada winning.

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