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02-16-2007, 11:10 AM
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what warrants him so great? how many times has he been a 40 goal scorer? how many times has he been 65-70 assist guy? how many 100 pt seasons has he had over his career? big deal he can throw the body around and has skill. never understood why the whole hockey world went down on him.

he was on a stacked team in colorado. tough to handle guys like sakic, lemieux, deadmarsh, scott young and if i remember correctly kamensky were all there for a while. then on defense they ahd sandis ozolinsh, foote, leschysn leading the way. not to mention if not the greatest goaltender ever in roy. if he is so great why didnt the lanche want to resign him? i thought it was comical when the flyers signed him, knew he wouldnt see the end of that contract.

but like i said i know nothing about hockey and cus i go against hte grain, im an idiot

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I don't disagree with that.

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what warrants him so great? how many times has he been a 40 goal scorer? how many times has he been 65-70 assist guy? how many 100 pt seasons has he had over his career? big deal he can throw the body around and has skill. never understood why the whole hockey world went down on him.

he was on a stacked team in colorado. tough to handle guys like sakic, lemieux, deadmarsh, scott young and if i remember correctly kamensky were all there for a while. then on defense they ahd sandis ozolinsh, foote, leschysn leading the way. not to mention if not the greatest goaltender ever in roy. if he is so great why didnt the lanche want to resign him? i thought it was comical when the flyers signed him, knew he wouldnt see the end of that contract.

but like i said i know nothing about hockey and cus i go against hte grain, im an idiot

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Well, Bernie Mac, as much as we've been honored by your presence in this thread(we know you're a busy man and all), I think that about says everything we needed to know.

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02-16-2007, 11:12 AM
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I think we are being realistic about it. We're not saying we are guaranteed the cup, that is mostly other teams fans making a comment after seeing the trade. This team still has some weaknesses but we feel as if our GM has done a good job patching things up a bit these last few weeks.

You're welcome to have your opinion on Forsberg and I won't say you're wrong about him. But he is a hell of a lot better than Vernon Fiddler, Scott Nichol and Jerred Smithson. Our third line was struggling because of who was centering them.

Forsberg makes our team better at the end of the day. If gets injured, we still have a strong team (although weak again on the third line). Forsberg was probably the best center on the market. Given his injury problems, are there better guys? Of course, but how many were available?

Regardless of what happens, its a worthy risk to make. Poile felt like he got a good player and didn't have to move a roster player for him, meanwhile still having prospects to cover our loss in that regard.

Sorry if you took me the wrong way, I'm not trying to be heated about it.
word...like i said i like the preds. they are a very strong team. no doubt he is better than the guys you mentioned. my opinion was that he wasnt worth the picks/players given he is on the downside of his career and cant seem to stay healthy. if i could take one guy from your team id love for the pens to grab timmonen (spelling?) love that guy.

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02-16-2007, 11:17 AM
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for this reason is why i dont post on this site often...ll.
If there is any guy that people should be laughing at, it is probably you.

I bet you where still riding trike's when Forsberg entered the league.


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02-16-2007, 11:52 AM
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i did some homework. bmac003 comes from pens land, so anything that benifits the the flyers is bad. just like devils fans who were ragging on peter, but then wanted him when he became available. i would suggest a grain of salt(fo flava)

foppa has been playing well of late (ever since he got the new orthopidic skate). he has said he would not want to be traded if he wasn't physically up to the task.
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It’s been feeling much, much better with all the added help that I have been getting.



Q. As far as Forsberg, he's had problems with the foot this year. Have you kind of reassured yourself that maybe he found what he needed with the visit to the specialist in Sweden?

DAVID POILE: In talking with Paul Holmgren, and I really thought Paul was very sincere and honest in this whole negotiation. I think this was a long negotiation for a lot of reasons. One was Forsberg was having problems with his foot, skate if you will, and you know, went to many different people and different skates and what have you.

I think everyone would acknowledge that in the last week or so that Forsberg seems to be much more comfortable with his skate, and I would say his play has risen because of that. It was my understanding that Forsberg was not -- would not agree to be traded if he did not feel that he could commit and be as healthy as possible to a new team.

So you know, I believe Peter Forsberg is an honorable guy. I believe his foot and skate is in the best condition that it can be. In watching over the last several games I think he's played very well. There's nothing that's risk-free as we all know in the hockey business.
as for his greatness i would think the two Stanley Cup championships (1996 and 2001 with Colorado), two Olympic gold medals (1994 and 2006 with Sweden) the Hart Trophy (most valuable player) and Art Ross Trophy (scoring champion) in 2003, being named to the NHL’s First All-Star Team three times (1998, 1999 and 2003), five NHL All-Star Games and won the Calder Memorial Trophy as the league’s rookie of the year in 1995 might speak to his greatness. for pete's sake(pun intended) sweden put the guy on a stamp.

the bottom line is for people to ask themselves, do you think the preds are better this year with upshall or forseberg, because parent and next years draft are not playing? foppa might have some injury issues this year, but so has scottie. actually scottie has only played 14 games this year with 3pts as compared to foppa who has 40 pts in 40 games. the preds needed another center and not another semi-healthy scratch. in the long term the players traded may bring great things to their new team, but with parent having injury problems too(bulging disc) and still in jrs we will have to wait years to see from the flyers side. the preds were so deep with on D that parent was having troubles getting to the AHL so he wasn't that much to give up. the preds were most likely drafting low this coming year and that class isn't that deep. so again not as big of a loss for us.

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We gave up 3 1st round picks for damaged goods Polie got bent on this one Forsberg's gonna love KC in 2 years!!!!
A few years ago the Isles got 3 first round picks for Zigmund Palffy: Mathieu Biron, Josh Green, and Olli Jokinen. 1 of them panned out. It's a risk to pick up forsberg, but at least the guy is a warrior....not to mention one of the best all around players in the league. Point is that there's no guarantee the 1st rounders will live up to the hype.

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So in a week.....our two needs were addressed for a legit Cup run....without losing a single player that will contribute to this team for at least 2-3 years.

We lose Vasisuck (a waste and unhappy guy in the room), Upshall (love his energy but was close to the waiver wire), a 28-30ish pick in a weak draft next year...a late 3rd rounder....and Parent, who is buried in an amazingly deep depth chart and appears to have injury issues of his own.

We get a physical Dman in V squared who plays with an edge and has playoff experience, and perhaps the best active playoff performer and a leader....a seat filler...and a phenomenal two way center who will make our PP much better.


Is there risk? Yes, but what is it? We don't win the cup? We join 29 other teams ..
I dunno...I kind of like what was done here.

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02-16-2007, 12:50 PM
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lot of research needed, in the first few posts in this thread i said i hate the flyers. good work gumshoe. i hate the flyers cus they are an interstate rival. i like a lot of their players, just hate the team. they would say they hate the pens. little thing called a rivalry.


i also said i got to see a preds play the pens as well. again way to go sherlock holmes. i also have said he was overrated b4 he got to the flyers. the key word in that last sentence was "BELIEVE" its my opinion and im getting flamed for it. throw out some reasons and still get flamed. say i dont think he was the best player on those lanche teams and get flamed. no koolaid drinking so i guess im wrong.

the preds are a good team, just think trading for damaged goods in forsberg was a bit of a reach. the league is what have you done for me lately, and lately he being injured dont think he will have that much of an impact.

but go preds, like the squad just dont like the trade.

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On the other board, they're saying the hype in Nashville is unbelievable in regard to the media(I'm not there, so I don't know), and they also said that the ticket reps have said that the effect was immediate in terms of sales.

Anyone verify that?

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lot of research needed, in the first few posts in this thread i said i hate the flyers. good work gumshoe. i hate the flyers cus they are an interstate rival. i like a lot of their players, just hate the team. they would say they hate the pens. little thing called a rivalry.


i also said i got to see a preds play the pens as well. again way to go sherlock holmes. i also have said he was overrated b4 he got to the flyers. the key word in that last sentence was "BELIEVE" its my opinion and im getting flamed for it. throw out some reasons and still get flamed. say i dont think he was the best player on those lanche teams and get flamed. no koolaid drinking so i guess im wrong.

the preds are a good team, just think trading for damaged goods in forsberg was a bit of a reach. the league is what have you done for me lately, and lately he being injured dont think he will have that much of an impact.

but go preds, like the squad just dont like the trade.
From an outsiders standpoint, the last sentence is probably all you needed to say. The rest comes off like you are trying to start something, with all of the "gumshoes and sherlock" statements. People trying to discuss this with civility probably won't dig that too much.

Anyway, good luck to the pens, they're on a tear!

Risky trade by the Preds, but shows they want the cup. Shows they've been building wisely, accumulating picks and prospects for such a cup run. Plus they didn't trade all of the future away.

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On the other board, they're saying the hype in Nashville is unbelievable in regard to the media(I'm not there, so I don't know), and they also said that the ticket reps have said that the effect was immediate in terms of sales.

Anyone verify that?
I tuned into a radio station online today to see if they were talking about it - WNSR? - and they have been talking hockey for the last hour for the most part.

Some Detroit Red Wings fan just called up saying that getting Forsberg made the Predators softer because he is European - and that he was glad that the Wings didn't pick up Forsberg because they didn't need another soft European who won't muck it up and play physical. *** sigh *** the guys on the radio had no rebuttal and thought it was a legitimate argument

But at least there is hockey talk on the radio in the mid afternoon in Nashville, even if it is not entirely informed. That is not always the case here in Boston these days so it's a start

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I tuned into a radio station online today to see if they were talking about it - WNSR? - and they have been talking hockey for the last hour for the most part.

Some Detroit Red Wings fan just called up saying that getting Forsberg made the Predators softer because he is European - and that he was glad that the Wings didn't pick up Forsberg because they didn't need another soft European who won't muck it up and play physical. *** sigh *** the guys on the radio had no rebuttal and thought it was a legitimate argument

But at least there is hockey talk on the radio in the mid afternoon in Nashville, even if it is not entirely informed. That is not always the case here in Boston these days so it's a start

Forsberg not playing physical?

In the playoffs no less?

Good God..

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On the other board, they're saying the hype in Nashville is unbelievable in regard to the media(I'm not there, so I don't know), and they also said that the ticket reps have said that the effect was immediate in terms of sales.

Anyone verify that?

well they ARE talking about the preds on the local sports shows and even in a positive light. considering that most of the time the talk would be about nascar, titans, UT and Vandy i guess you could consider the attention to be unbelievable. of course it still has a ways to go to be in the same universe as detroit, NY or toronto.

as for the ticket reps i can speak from personal experience. things are getting tight and in a good way. definite kariya-style bounce in sales when this went down.

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On the other board, they're saying the hype in Nashville is unbelievable in regard to the media(I'm not there, so I don't know), and they also said that the ticket reps have said that the effect was immediate in terms of sales.

Anyone verify that?
The media has done okay with it, not as much as I had hoped, but its positive news amongst the crap of the past few months.

I'm going to call my rep soon since I had some questions and I'll try to ask. I read on the main Predators boards that all the reps have been saying its been crazy today.

Wish it was like this all season, but hey, if it fills seats then I'm all for it. Perhaps they get hooked and get season tickets.

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Forsberg not playing physical?

In the playoffs no less?

Good God..
i know he was still in philly last night, made his statement during the 2nd Int i beleive. so given the recent snow effects on travel, the pending physical, the logistics of where he will be staying in nashville and the fact the preds were in StL tonight, him not playing tonight makes sense. doubt he would have time to even participate in the morning skate today.

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I'm copmletely torn on this. On one hand, the Preds are now a better team, which I like as an Oiler/Pred fan. On the other hand, they've done it by adding my most hated player in Peter Forsberg.

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the preds are a good team, just think trading for damaged goods in forsberg was a bit of a reach. the league is what have you done for me lately, and lately he being injured dont think he will have that much of an impact.

but go preds, like the squad just dont like the trade.
Fair enough. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I won't knock you in that regard. Hopefully this trade works out for us.

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I'm copmletely torn on this. On one hand, the Preds are now a better team, which I like as an Oiler/Pred fan. On the other hand, they've done it by adding my most hated player in Peter Forsberg.
I read one time that a good definition of hate is "frustrated love", get philosophical with that one for a little while!

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An injury prone Swede with #21 on the back? Didnt you guys learn anything when Andreas Johansson played for you???






Nashville will be the team to root for in the west this season. Congratulation.

Nice analogy, I must say, but that is like comparing a sports car(with a crooked fender ) to an economy car(Chevette anyone ) I still have fond memories of Johanssons hat trick at the GEC oh so many years ago, is he in the SEL in Sweden now??

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Nice analogy, I must say, but that is like comparing a sports car(with a crooked fender ) to an economy car(Chevette anyone ) I still have fond memories of Johanssons hat trick at the GEC oh so many years ago, is he in the SEL in Sweden now??
Yeah he plays in Färjestad but he is out with an injury, probably the whole season.

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Nice analogy, I must say, but that is like comparing a sports car(with a crooked fender ) to an economy car(Chevette anyone ) I still have fond memories of Johanssons hat trick at the GEC oh so many years ago, is he in the SEL in Sweden now??

He "plays" (currently injured and will not play any more this season, maybe never) for Färjestads BK, my local team, this season, it was here he started his days as a pro.

He always was/is a character.

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Nashville gave up way too much for a injury prone player like Forsberg.

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Nashville gave up way too much for a injury prone player like Forsberg.
Why did they give up much? If you wanna win the cup you gotta go for it so Predators did. God knows how many years it will be before they get another chance like this.

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