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02-16-2007, 10:04 AM
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Did he sign a 2 year or 1 year contract? I thought it was a 1-year...If so, it poses little problem picking him up at the deadline..

If he has another year on his contract, nt sure I would do it then..But I would dela him straigh for Rachunek..

I think Salei signed a 3 year deal. My point is that Florida might prefer to get rid of Salei's salary, while the Rangers might have to include Rachunek's $1.8 million to balance the cap considerations.

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02-16-2007, 10:16 AM
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Gary Roberts? What is he, 85 or 86 years old now?

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84.....and a 1/2

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I think Salei signed a 3 year deal. My point is that Florida might prefer to get rid of Salei's salary, while the Rangers might have to include Rachunek's $1.8 million to balance the cap considerations.
Looked it up and, of course, you are correct....Don't think the Rangers go for a D-man with another 2 years at the expense of rachunek who they can let walk (along with his contract) after this year..Salei is an upgrade over Rachunek, but I think the limited upgrade and contract makes him a no-go..But, you never know...

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Looked it up and, of course, you are correct....Don't think the Rangers go for a D-man with another 2 years at the expense of rachunek who they can let walk (along with his contract) after this year..Salei is an upgrade over Rachunek, but I think the limited upgrade and contract makes him a no-go..But, you never know...
This whole conversation comes from the idea that the Rangers had scouts to SOLELY look at Roberts. Knowing the Rangers had interest in Salei in the off-season, and considering BOTH Ward and Malik would be in their final years next year, and the possibility that Staal might get a year in Hartford to adjust to the professional game defensively, acquriring Salei MIGHT give the Rangers an immediate upgrade on D, and, insurance going forward.

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02-16-2007, 10:28 AM
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This whole conversation comes from the idea that the Rangers had scouts to SOLELY look at Roberts. Knowing the Rangers had interest in Salei in the off-season, and considering BOTH Ward and Malik would be in their final years next year, and the possibility that Staal might get a year in Hartford to adjust to the professional game defensively, acquriring Salei MIGHT give the Rangers an immediate upgrade on D, and, insurance going forward.
Solid points and I surely won't say he is not a possibilily becasue he is a decent D-man and the rangers had expressed interest previously..I just think after reviewing the possibilites, the Rangers will go elsewhere for the D-man BUT Salei wouldn';t surprise or anger me...

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02-16-2007, 10:40 AM
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Here's your scouting report on Roberts:

He's old and he's been breaking down regularly for about 10 years.

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02-16-2007, 11:03 AM
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I think Salei signed a 3 year deal. My point is that Florida might prefer to get rid of Salei's salary, while the Rangers might have to include Rachunek's $1.8 million to balance the cap considerations.
Salei got a 4 year deal from Florida.4 years/$12.1 million.$3,025,000 cap #

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Some of you are a bit too hard on Karel... He has made some gaffs... but with most offensive minded D-men, you gotta deal with it and put a solid d-man with him.. Aaron Ward's play has really downgraded Karel's IMO..

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The Rangers should be looking to open spots on defense instead of adding additional years on defense.San Jose and Nashville have young players on their defense-Matt Carle,Christian Erhoff, Marc-Edouard Vlasic,Ryan Suter,Shea Weber and Dan Hamhuis.Ivan Baranka should have made the team this season but he didn't because the Rangers had too many contracts on defense.Not to mention Marc Staal

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02-16-2007, 11:33 AM
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Most of these articles make little or no sense. Gary Roberts? Why do the Rangers need another winger? I thought the problems were at center and defense. And Mathieu Schneider? Why would a contender like Detroit trade him--so Jason Williams can get more time on the point?

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02-16-2007, 11:54 AM
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The Rangers should be looking to open spots on defense instead of adding additional years on defense.San Jose and Nashville have young players on their defense-Matt Carle,Christian Erhoff, Marc-Edouard Vlasic,Ryan Suter,Shea Weber and Dan Hamhuis.Ivan Baranka should have made the team this season but he didn't because the Rangers had too many contracts on defense.Not to mention Marc Staal

Maybe it's true that Baranka's preseaon play could have landed him in NY if some salaries weren;t there..But his play in Hartfortd over the season has been inconsistent at best and telling of a player not really ready for the NHL..Girardi took the step up, played consistently well in Hartford (and had for a year and a half), and is here playing full time.......baranka hasn;t and is where he beongs..now next year, maybe Baranka and Staal join Girardi as being NHL ready..Then we can be like SJ and Nashville..

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Maybe it's true that Baranka's preseaon play could have landed him in NY if some salaries weren;t there..But his play in Hartfortd over the season has been inconsistent at best and telling of a player not really ready for the NHL..Girardi took the step up, played consistently well in Hartford (and had for a year and a half), and is here playing full time.......baranka hasn;t and is where he beongs..now next year, maybe Baranka and Staal join Girardi as being NHL ready..Then we can be like SJ and Nashville..
Look at Nashville.Relatively young defense corps except for Kimmo Timmonen,Marek Zidlicky and Vitaly Vishnevski.Their top forwards were their acquired in trades or as free agents

For a young player to make the Rangers,he has to be CY Young

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02-16-2007, 02:26 PM
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Besides Jacques Martin and Karel Rachunek didn't get along in Ottawa at the end of Rachunek's time there.Rachunek isn't going to FLA

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Look at Nashville.Relatively young defense corps except for Kimmo Timmonen,Marek Zidlicky and Vitaly Vishnevski.Their top forwards were their acquired in trades or as free agents

For a young player to make the Rangers,he has to be CY Young
And if Baranaka was as good as Webber or Suter maybe he would be playing...But as his game in the AHL shows, he's far from it..ANd that's why our kids haven't been playing, most ofthem just aren't ready or good enouigh yet...

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02-16-2007, 06:30 PM
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Here's your scouting report on Roberts:

He's old and he's been breaking down regularly for about 10 years.
Thank you, no way we should be looking at a guy like Roberts. And if we get him who's spot is he gonna take? Bye bye Hollweg........maybe he will be the return that Florida wants.

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02-16-2007, 09:57 PM
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Thank you, no way we should be looking at a guy like Roberts. And if we get him who's spot is he gonna take? Bye bye Hollweg........maybe he will be the return that Florida wants.
that would be a very stupid move. If ur gonna deal Hollweg at least get someone around the same age or higher 20's not a 40 year old vet.

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No thanks on Roberts.

Now Hortons another case....

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I've heard a few things from my source, with one of particular interest to Ranger fans, check out my blog for the info. FYI my source nailed the Forsberg deal the day before it happened, so if you dont believe in rumors thats fine, but I trust him.

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Schneider or Ryan Smyth? I love both players, but Prucha would have to go if we acquired Smyth I'm guessing.

Schneider would have to see the end of Rachunek or another overpaid dman going their way which makes no sense from Detroits end.

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For a young player to make the Rangers,he has to be CY Young

I couldn't agree more and echo your comments regarding Nashville and San Jose's use of young defensemen. Baranka isn't an 18 or 19 year old, he's more than halfway through his 21 year old season. It couldn't hurt to give him a 20 game look in the NHL this year. Can't complain too much on this because the 4 of the 6 defensemen are under 30 but would still like to see how Baranka looks in the NHL even if his isn't 100% ready. Look at the difference in Toots this year from last, just NHL experience.

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I've heard a few things from my source, with one of particular interest to Ranger fans, check out my blog for the info. FYI my source nailed the Forsberg deal the day before it happened, so if you dont believe in rumors thats fine, but I trust him.
I read your blog post and my question is why would Detroit want to trade Schneider? Is it because he's going to be a UFA? Because I look at their D after Lidstrom and Schneider for offense and I don't see much. But I must admit I don't catch too many DET games. Is Kronwall ready to replace Schneider on the point? It would seem to me that Detroit would want to keep an experienced vet like him for a playoff run.

And I don't know about the Rangers acquiring Smyth...still seems to me like they need a center and a tough defenseman.

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Gary Roberts is a poor man's Brendan Shanahan. Pass

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I've heard a few things from my source, with one of particular interest to Ranger fans, check out my blog for the info. FYI my source nailed the Forsberg deal the day before it happened, so if you dont believe in rumors thats fine, but I trust him.
Great work Inferno!

Ryan Smyth would be huge, don't know exactly were he fits in though.

If we didn't have Shanahan, I would defenitly be in favor getting a player like Smyth, now I am not so sure.

Though while he is a UFA, getting him now would almost gaurantee that he would be here in the future.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsCAoOOjHRw

This is a good video of what Ryan Smyth is all about. Canada were loosing to the Czech 2 years ago, Smyth worked like a maniac the entire game. This is late in the game and Canada trail by two goals.

He really hates loosing. Its not that I think he is dooing anything good in that vid, but to loose it like that shows how much attitude he puts into a game to start with.

He reminds me of Forsberg in that sense, loosing aren't on the map.

Smyth would indeed be a great player to lead this team. But he is 31 y/o, we got 4 vets who probably will be here for another 2 years.

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